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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2010, 01:29:53 PM »
There is Rifle and Muzzys and then there is Compound and Traditional :dunno:

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2010, 01:32:56 PM »
And the muzzys have traditional and modern too.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #107 on: December 30, 2010, 01:55:15 PM »
There is Rifle and Muzzys and then there is Compound and Traditional :dunno:

that is my point exactly. combine the muzzy season with the rifle season and then give ALL of those hunters back the 7-10 day break between early and late gun season that never used to exist.

then give bowhunters back the 10-12 days we lost between the early and late seasons.

have two general weapon seasons with more days for each group and everyone wins.

another division in weapon choice only stands to reason that some hunters will have to give up a few more days in their season so that another small group can have the woods to ourselves.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2010, 02:39:53 PM »
one of the dumbest rules I have seen in this state.. close late archery season for 5 days so 5! rifle hunters can hunt :bash:

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #109 on: December 30, 2010, 02:59:06 PM »
gj, I like your style man, you bring up some great points. Kudos.

Yep, well delivered points.

If the tradional crowd would like more opportunities separate from the rest of the archery community, thats fine with me. But whats to keep folks who just want to join for sake of the extended season, or excellent draw odds from dilluting the tradition as a whole in a few years?

My answer to that question, BVB, would be to disallowing jumping around from one weapon to another. Make it a 'lifetime' choice that can't be reversed. Or a 'ten year' choice... Something with some teeth in it.
I'd just like to remind everybody that it's about the hunting, not just the killing. In other words, it's about the total experience, the sport itself and the challenge involved. Bowhunting, done right, is a justifiable and honorable pursuit. Done for the wrong reasons, simply chalking up kills and seeking personal glory, it's taking away rather than giving back to a principled way of life that has to be experienced to be understood. G.StCharles

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »


If the tradional crowd would like more opportunities separate from the rest of the archery community, thats fine with me. But whats to keep folks who just want to join for sake of the extended season, or excellent draw odds from dilluting the tradition as a whole in a few years?

My answer to that question, BVB, would be to disallowing jumping around from one weapon to another. Make it a 'lifetime' choice that can't be reversed. Or a 'ten year' choice... Something with some teeth in it.
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    I hadn't thought of that. but I like it. There are several possible scenarios that COULD be used to control it. I was thinking along the lines of a profficiency test, that would be required if using special seasons or permits designed. Should already be in place for current archery season IMHO, but I like your idea as well snapshot, more straightforward for sure. 

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2010, 03:57:38 PM »
"have two general weapon seasons with more days for each group and everyone wins."

Actually,  no.  Everyone doesn't win in this case because the Muzzy guys would have to deal with
all the modern guys at the same time. They wouldn't stand for it.   

They have 'sacrificed' the opportunity to kill at 400 yards and deserve a longer season to reach goal-harvest.

Just like you and I have done by choosing archery.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2010, 04:19:00 PM »
We could let the trad guys hunt during the muzzleloader seasons (call it trad season) in addition they could still hunt the archery season. Of course I'm not a muzzie guy so I am sure they would have something to say about that. I don't know how many trad guys we have in this state so I'm not sure how much pressure that would add.
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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #113 on: December 30, 2010, 04:21:34 PM »
This all sounds too complicated to me. I'd rather have the state go to permit only hunting for deer and elk. Then we wouldn't have to squabble over who gets the longest seasons and the best times. Just apply for the permit you want and if you get it, that's when and where you hunt. If you don't get it, you just don't hunt that year.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #114 on: December 30, 2010, 04:56:20 PM »
This all sounds too complicated to me. I'd rather have the state go to permit only hunting for deer and elk. Then we wouldn't have to squabble over who gets the longest seasons and the best times. Just apply for the permit you want and if you get it, that's when and where you hunt. If you don't get it, you just don't hunt that year.

If this state went to permit only, with in a generation or two there wouldn't be hunting in this state anymore. How are you going to recruit younger generations into the tradition of hunting if you can only hunt once every three years, five years or how ever long it takes to draw. I for one am not going to wait around and hunt every few years, I will either hunt another state or give it up.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #115 on: December 30, 2010, 04:57:03 PM »
This all sounds too complicated to me. I'd rather have the state go to permit only hunting for deer and elk. Then we wouldn't have to squabble over who gets the longest seasons and the best times. Just apply for the permit you want and if you get it, that's when and where you hunt. If you don't get it, you just don't hunt that year.

Definitely too complicated. I think most hunters are not happy with their game departments. Ohio has the best working relationship I have seen with their residents.
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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #116 on: December 30, 2010, 04:58:10 PM »
Actually nothing is complicated because nothing has been proposed.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #117 on: December 30, 2010, 05:03:43 PM »
Actually nothing is complicated because nothing has been proposed.

It's satisfying everybody that's too complicated. It's never going to happen. I know that's human nature so we can't really expect that result.
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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #118 on: December 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM »
DBHAWTHORNE you can't satisfy everyone. I think the discussion here is just a wandering one  but of no great seriousness yet. I also think that being hypercritical of it displays a sense of open yet veiled attack against peoples ideas. People are just having a discussion and to come in with every 3rd response and say it is doomed is kind of silly. There has been nothing proposed to the WDFW so there is nothing to declare complicated.

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Re: Tradition only unit
« Reply #119 on: December 30, 2010, 05:08:41 PM »
gj, I like your style man, you bring up some great points and are obviously a very accomplished bowhunter. Kudos.

   I love SHOOTING archery tackle both traditional and compound. The simplicity of traditional, the form work, the fingers on the string etc.. I also love the power of a compound, the technology, the gadgets, the  nock busting at 40+ yards, less lost arrows.  But I LIVE to BOWHUNT! I currently carry a highly advanced bow comprised of aluminum, strings, cables, and cams, not " training wheels" in the woods and make no apologies for it. Im very profficient in the use of said equipment and strive to constantly become more so through diligent practice. May I ever change my mind and hunt with a stick and string SURE. And will devote the same amount of due diligence to being as proficient as possible with that weapon as well adopting certain limitations that come with it. But a special permit, or extended season has never and WILL never play a role in my decision to do so.
   Every hunter needs to know his/her limitations self imposed or otherwise. How many guys would choose to hunt rifle over bow if the seasons were reversed? How about if the Rifle season was half as crowded? Muzzleloader same thing. I know several rifle guys who punch tags every year, They shoot alot. They scout alot. They hunt hard. They don't cry about how short the season is, or that the rut is over, cuz they get it done. But more and more I hear guys at the shop or run into guys in the woods saying stuff along the lines of " finally switchin over to archery, just to crowded during rifle". Or "man i've only had this new bow a month but im cuttin 12's at 50 yard most of the time, should be ready to go!" Then the same guy bragging about a 65 yard shot uphill that "spined" him while he was watching the hunter.
     My point is given reasonable seasons and expectations with a given weapon guys who kill chit, will kill chit, or will pass up opportunitys to kill chit. Wannabes will always cry about how short the season was, how the other guys got a better season than us, we need more permits for OUR weapon of choice. 
     Twigs that deflect arrows dont care if the arrow is carbon, aluminum, or cedar. They dont care whether it was launched from a lovingly crafted bow, or one milled out of a block of alluminum by a machine; whether it was going 200 or 300 fps. Animals that jump your string causing poor hits or misses honestly could care less as well. If you think an alerted buck cant hear your whisper quiet 55 lb longbow, or wont be able to duck out of the way of your screaming 320 fps carbon shaft launched by your pretty month old baby, your decieving yourself. I agree with many posts here compounds are intrinsically easier to SHOOT, but HUNTING ethically and profficiently with them is far from the gimme many people make them out to be. And until the come up with a bow that breaks the sound barrier or legalize crossbows or locking mechanisms, the biggest drawbacks to hunting with them will remain the same.
     If the tradional crowd would like more opportunities separate from the rest of the archery community, thats fine with me. But whats to keep folks who just want to join for sake of the extended season, or excellent draw odds from dilluting the tradition as a whole in a few years?



Best post of this debate IMO!
"Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching- even when doing the wrong thing is legal."
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