Tradition only unit

[bobcat]

JBar-  I'm with you... I just don't see a need for it. Why don't we have special permits for un-scoped rifles then? Or permits for magnum cartridges, and other permits for non-magnum cartridges?

[tlbradford]

I guess I am missing something and maybe someone can fill me in on Why!!! Why?  Should there be a separate permit available or unit?? Why do the traditional guys feel there should be one? Is it because you feel you need to get closer to the game? Is it because they deserve it or feel unsafe with modern archers in the area? Why? So far I have not seen a valid reason or even an explanation of why it is felt needed. I'm not against the idea if there is a valid reason for it, I know validity will be different to everyone but so far.... But give us something to ponder over.

It is just giving a user group an additional opportunity.  I don't really see why you are trying to read more into it than that.  That's it. 

Nobody is trying to be "elitist".  Nobody is trying to get you to do something different.  It is harder to take an animal with traditional equipment.  Can you deny that fact?  So if it is a tougher pursuit, why shouldn't we ask for a few extra days to take our targeted animal?  Why shouldn't we be allowed to ask for a seperate category for drawings? 

 If you really feel that strongly Jbar, why not lobby for muzzleloader to be rolled into modern firearm.  Why not really simplify things?  You haven't provided one single arguement as to why!! why you would be against it?

[bobcat]

I would like to see things simplified. After the fiasco last year when they completely changed our permit system, for no good reason, I would rather see less categories than what we have now. In my opinion they need to do away with the regular buck deer and bull elk categories, and also there is no need for separate categories for youth, seniors, and disabled hunters. I'm not saying do away with those permits, but just get rid of the separate categories.

[huntnnw]

No kidding.. I understand the separation of rifle and bow season.. but a bow season and a traditional season? Again why? There is already a good archery season .. don't tell me the traditional guys are in overcrowded units like they are hunting with the orange army.  I barely see bowhunters as it is during archery otc elk and deer.

[tlbradford]

I would like to see things simplified. After the fiasco last year when they completely changed our permit system, for no good reason, I would rather see less categories than what we have now. In my opinion they need to do away with the regular buck deer and bull elk categories, and also there is no need for separate categories for youth, seniors, and disabled hunters. I'm not saying do away with those permits, but just get rid of the separate categories.

I tend to agree that simpler is better, but if they are going to leave everything as complicated as it is, then I don't see a problem with traditional guys getting some seperate opportunities.

[huntnnw]

I will gurantee if something like this were to happen... it would be a far shorter season. It also would have to be late in the year after the general archery season. The trad guys would still rather have the 45 days or so we have for deer over here over a short trad only season. U cant hunt both remember, choose your tag state .. So how many would buy a trad only tag then? Say the season was 10 days long after the close of archery deer. Sorry but I wouldnt, horns falling off, rut completly gone.

[tlbradford]

I will gurantee if something like this were to happen... it would be a far shorter season. It also would have to be late in the year after the general archery season. The trad guys would still rather have the 45 days or so we have for deer over here over a short trad only season. U cant hunt both remember, choose your tag state .. So how many would buy a trad only tag then? Say the season was 10 days long after the close of archery deer. Sorry but I wouldnt, horns falling off, rut completly gone.

After giving it some thought here is what I would propose on the season.  You would have to declare traditional equipment, and have to use that throughout the season.  Give them three days before archery opener and two days after.  Having to declare traditional would keep most compound guys from picking up a longbow or recurve for the extra days.  And those that want a few extra days would have to use it throughout the entire archery season. 

[Lowedog]

I will gurantee if something like this were to happen... it would be a far shorter season. It also would have to be late in the year after the general archery season. The trad guys would still rather have the 45 days or so we have for deer over here over a short trad only season. U cant hunt both remember, choose your tag state .. So how many would buy a trad only tag then? Say the season was 10 days long after the close of archery deer. Sorry but I wouldnt, horns falling off, rut completly gone.

After giving it some thought here is what I would propose on the season.  You would have to declare traditional equipment, and have to use that throughout the season.  Give them three days before archery opener and two days after.  Having to declare traditional would keep most compound guys from picking up a longbow or recurve for the extra days.  And those that want a few extra days would have to use it throughout the entire archery season. 

Not a bad idea, tough to enforce but not a bad idea at all.

[tlbradford]

I'll have to read up on what Oregon does, and what TBW is proposing.  I hadn't heard of anything until this thread.  Good discussion, but I don't know why it got so heated.

[Machias]

Here a good fix, traditional permit holders can only hunt with traditional gear, whatever the restrictions are decided upon.  And they can hunt during modern, muzzy and bow season, however they must follow those seasons special rules, i.e. blaze orange.  They can still only take one animal but can hunt all three seasons.  The small number that would participate will not increase the pressure in an already crowded modern season and they won't bother the muzzy guys.  Plus to make everyone happy, OPEN all the GMUs and stop cramming us all in smaller and smaller areas.

[Machias]

I will gurantee if something like this were to happen... it would be a far shorter season. It also would have to be late in the year after the general archery season. The trad guys would still rather have the 45 days or so we have for deer over here over a short trad only season. U cant hunt both remember, choose your tag state .. So how many would buy a trad only tag then? Say the season was 10 days long after the close of archery deer. Sorry but I wouldnt, horns falling off, rut completly gone.

I would, but then horns are not a driving force in my bowhunting.

[Lowedog]

Plus to make everyone happy, OPEN all the GMUs and stop cramming us all in smaller and smaller areas.

 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Here a good fix, traditional permit holders can only hunt with traditional gear, whatever the restrictions are decided upon.  And they can hunt during modern, muzzy and bow season, however they must follow those seasons special rules, i.e. blaze orange.  They can still only take one animal but can hunt all three seasons.  The small number that would participate will not increase the pressure in an already crowded modern season and they won't bother the muzzy guys.  Plus to make everyone happy, OPEN all the GMUs and stop cramming us all in smaller and smaller areas.

Now that is something I could probably get onboard with. I was hoping someone would finally make a proposal. Thank you. Anybody have a rough idea how many trad archers we have in this state?

[Snapshot]

I'll have to read up on what Oregon does, and what TBW is proposing.  I hadn't heard of anything until this thread.  Good discussion, but I don't know why it got so heated.

Correction needed here, folks. To date TBW has not proposed anything. Discussed? Yes. Proposed? No.
Keep the ideas coming.  
D.L. Sharp
TBW President

[huntnnw]

Why MAchias? whats wrong with the 45 days we get already? u cant say too many hunters.