Muzzle Loader bullet ????? Argh.

[dawhunt]

Why would it mushroom in soft tissue and not when it hits a bone ?
Bob

[Dirty Mike]

I have shot a ton of sst none have mushroomed the copper is to hard but the tmz drops them in their tracks

[ML_Hunter]

I shot an elk with the TMZ bullet on Saturday.  The elk was down before the smoke cleared!  Bullet passed through and through at about 115 yards entering the Right shoulder and exiting the left through the ribs after tearing through both lungs.

[Lowedog]

I shot an elk with the TMZ bullet on Saturday.  The elk was down before the smoke cleared!  Bullet passed through and through at about 115 yards entering the Right shoulder and exiting the left through the ribs after tearing through both lungs.

Nice!  That bullet is deadly!! 

[bearpaw]

So do you guys prefer the 250 or 300 grain TMZ in a .50?

Which is flatter shooting?

[carpsniperg2]

So do you guys prefer the 250 or 300 grain TMZ in a .50?

Which is flatter shooting?

The tmz's comes in 250's and 290's in the 50cal. I shoot the 290's, but I am sure the 250 are flatter shooting. But that also depends on powder charge. Some lighter bullets, need lighter powder charges then the heavy bullets. So I guess if you were shoot the 250 with 100 grains and the 290 with 150 grains. The 290 could be flatter shooting. Just depends on what the gun likes. Hope this helps Dale.

[bobcat]

I think there would be very little difference in trajectory between the two weights. Both of them should shoot plenty flat. I would go with the heavier bullet, unless the lighter one was more accurate. To me anything less than 300 grains is too light for a muzzleloader bullet, but for the Barnes I would make an exception, being that they are 100% copper.

[Lowedog]

So do you guys prefer the 250 or 300 grain TMZ in a .50?

Which is flatter shooting?

Using the data from Hodgdon and a 100gr load of T7 the 290gr TMZ is around 150 fps slower than the 250gr.  Sighted in at 150 with both would only be about an inch difference in drop at 200.  the 250 is about 8" drop from 150-200 and the 290 is about 9".  

With not much energy difference between the 2 weights I think it is a toss up and personal preference.  

[bobcat]

From this test, it looks like the 290 drops 1 1/2 inches more at 200 yards, when zeroed at 100 yards.  (look at #9 and #12)

No. 1     Precision Rifle 195-gr. .357" diameter (duplex sabot) "Dead Center" - 5.25" drop

No. 2     Precision Rifle 260-gr. .400" diameter "Dead Center" - 6.9" drop

No. 3     Precision Rifle 240-gr. .400" diameter "Dead Center" - 7.3" drop

No. 4     Precision Rifle 260-gr. .400" diameter "Extreme Elite HP" - 7.4" drop

No. 5     Precision Rifle 300-gr. .430" diameter "Dead Center" - 7.5" drop

No. 6     Precision Rifle 240-gr. .40" diameter "Extreme Elite HP" - 7.9" drop

No. 7     Precision Rifle 340-gr. .451" diameter "Dead Center" - 8.85" drop

No. 8   Parker Productions 250-gr. .451" diameter "Ballistic Extreme" - 9.7" drop

No. 9   Barnes Bullets 250-gr. .451" diameter "TMZ" - 9.9" drop

No. 10 Hornady 250-gr. .452" diameter "SST" - 10.8" drop

No. 11 Parker Productions 275-gr. .451" diameter "Ballistic Extreme" - 11.2" drop

No. 12 Barnes Bullets 290-gr. .451" diameter "TMZ" - 11.5" drop

No. 13 Barnes Bullets 245-gr. .451" diameter "Spit-Fire" - 11.8" drop

No. 14 Hornady 300-gr. .452" diameter "SST" - 12.3" drop

No. 15 Barnes Bullets 285-gr. .451" diameter "Spit-Fire" - 12.9" drop

No. 16 Power Belt Aerotip 295-gr. .499" diameter plastic skirted bullet - 13.8" drop

No. 17 Power Belt Aerotip 223-gr. .499" diameter plastic skirted bullet - 14.9" drop

No. 18 Harvester Muzzleloading 260-gr. .451" diameter funnel-point bullet - 15.9" drop

No. 19 Hornady 250-gr. .452" diameter "XTP" jacketed hollow-point bullet - 18.7" drop

No. 20 Hornady 300-gr. .452" diameter "XTP" jacketed hollow-point bullet - 21.2" drop

http://www.prbullet.com/drop.htm

[carpsniperg2]

Here is the link to the data online. There is not very much diffrence, between the two. For anyone that would like the info

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/MuzzleloaderData.pdf

[bearpaw]

Thanks for all the info and recommendations guys. I had ordered some barnes bullets for other guns and figured I would place another order one of these days for some TMZ's, I think I will get some of both weight and see which my gun likes best.

I have a CVA .50 Hawken that shoots fairly well. The other bullets I have been using chrony at about 1890-1920 with 120gr FFF, so it seems about as fast as most guns. What gun do you think is the fastest shooting gun?    Just in case I get a wild hair someday...

[ramslam]

I have not tried the TMZ's but I will give two thumbs up to the SST's.  I took a ram in the Yukon in August at 215 yards with 105 gr 777.  He never took another step. 

[bearpaw]

congrats ramslam, that is awesome, I really haven't killed a lot with my muzzy, an elk and some squirrels, but want to use it more someday....

I have seen lots of animals killed by other guys and enjoy being around the muzzies.

[ramslam]

I've only really been into it muzzy hunting since 2006.  I absolutely love it.  I've taken two mulies, one bull elk, two whities, an antelope and my yukon sheep. 

Cant wait to get back north in a couple years after sheep and moose!

[bearpaw]

Maybe I will take a muzzy on my next trip to NZ/AU. That would be fun.... Ramslam I will see how these TMZ's do and if I don't like them, I will try the SST's.

Thanks for info everyone.