Yellowstone is Dead

[Alan K]

Good luck getting any management. . . Idaho is 1000x more of a red state than us and they still got their management plan shut down.  Sometimes you just have to take things into your own hands.

[400out]

From what I see it appears to be a very informational doc. can't wait to see it! please keep us in the loop 

[BeeMan]

Washington never had timber wolves and never will Canis Lupus irremotus is the historical species and is the one that was released in Yellowstone. Also the species that is slowly recolonizing Washington.

I think the guys that believe this is a ploy to take our guns away or to run cattle producers off of public land need to take their foil hats off and join the real world.

I know I have haggled wolfbait in the past but I love the fact he works so hard to inform people about the wolves and I enjoy reading everything he posts, but the wolves are here to stay and the SSS talk makes hunters look bad. We need to unite under the thought that they are here to stay and we want practical, functional management.

Brandon

Expecting a good wolf management plan in Washington is like expecting that PETA would do a good job managing the WDFW!....Aint gonna happen! 

[wolfbait]

Washington never had timber wolves and never will Canis Lupus irremotus is the historical species and is the one that was released in Yellowstone. Also the species that is slowly recolonizing Washington.

I think the guys that believe this is a ploy to take our guns away or to run cattle producers off of public land need to take their foil hats off and join the real world.

I know I have haggled wolfbait in the past but I love the fact he works so hard to inform people about the wolves and I enjoy reading everything he posts, but the wolves are here to stay and the SSS talk makes hunters look bad. We need to unite under the thought that they are here to stay and we want practical, functional management.

 
Brandon

>Washington never had timber wolves and never will Canis Lupus irremotus is the historical species and is the one that was released in Yellowstone. Also the species that is slowly recolonizing Washington.)

Nice try Brandon, but it isn't going to fly. In the past some folks on W-H tried to say the wolves that were released in the Methow were not the same wolves as Idaho, that little lie was also exposed. Scott Rockholm is going to post some info that will show what happened when the wolves were brought down. In the past I had seen the wolves we use to have and they were not the big Canadian wolves. The fact that we never had any problems with our native wolves should be enough to prove your statement incorrect. In the early 1990's WDFW said they had 6 confirmed wolf packs in the Cascades, what happen to these wolves? The money for their wolf studies went to the illegal Canadian wolf introduction. What happen to the documented wolves of the 1980's and 1990's? Why would WDFW throw away our native wolves and release a non native wolf that never belonged in the lower 48? How will Washington look being mostly Wilderness or Parks? Where will people hunt then? What happens with the states that have been dealing with these wolves since the beginning will decide what happens in WA. The more people spread this information of the lies that have followed the wolf introduction from the beginning the better chances we have of informing people as to what has happened and what is going to happen in WA. WDFW can not lie and say they had no clue when they released these wolves in WA, they are as guilty as Ed Bangs and his crew of crooks.

In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

Rare Wolf Pups To Be Isolated, Photographed
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900603&slug=1075265

[luvtohnt]

Please point me in the direction of the supposed uncovering of the release of said Canadian wolves, so I can be informed.

The wolves found in Canada are Northern Rocky Mountain wolves the same type released in Idaho. Also known as Canis lupus irremotus. There is no such thing as a Canadian wolf. DNA taken from wolves killed in the rockies decades ago prove that irremotus was in fact the species found in America. The only difference is the prey base will cause the ssp to be big or small.

Brandon

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I don't doubt that it will take wolves taking down some people before anything gets done. Look at what happened to hound hunting. Decisions made by people that have no clue about what they just voted to do.
I still say, if there are no wolves in the area, then go ahead and shoot that great big coyote! Must be what it is!

Our own our responsible for losing rights like hound hunting too..it's not just the uneducated or ill informed urbanites ...its those who don't use it or think it's not hunting who help give our rights away.

[greenhead_killer]

shoot em in the guts and let em run and die. problem solved. just yotes on steroids anyhow...no wolves here. can they really prosecute you for killing a wolf if there are none here? i guess the truth would have to come out at that point if whoever wanted to press charges. shoot em all

[Rockholm66]

Please point me in the direction of the supposed uncovering of the release of said Canadian wolves, so I can be informed.

The wolves found in Canada are Northern Rocky Mountain wolves the same type released in Idaho. Also known as Canis lupus irremotus. There is no such thing as a Canadian wolf. DNA taken from wolves killed in the rockies decades ago prove that irremotus was in fact the species found in America. The only difference is the prey base will cause the ssp to be big or small.

Brandon

I understand you are trying to understand wolf introduction? I have researched this wolf introduction for many years now, and I know for a fact, the wolf introduced to Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and now Washington, and Oregon is not the resident wolf that inhabited our area. This is not a myth, like the writings in Wiki, or at the Defenders of Wildlife. I am working to complete my documentary, and when I am finished, I will provide the links to you. Most of the links are gone, and the evidence of the "Name Change" is also gone. I have the actual documents, and I will show them in my film. If you need anything else, please let me know. One resource you may want to look up is Young and Goldman. The information about the name change is on the USFWS web site.Do not get your information from Wiki, it is entirely false.

[NWBREW]

Thanks Scott......looking forward to it.

[sakoshooter]

Great Video.

[Hornseeker]

I'm curious why "canadian wolves" that hunt moose and caribou would be anymore effective predators than "American" wolves that hunted moose and elk....and bison...and.......

Just to keep this in perspective...I am NOT friend of wolf...just dont like to hear bullcrap get spread.

SSS when ever possible.... it can make a little difference.... but it wont get rid of the wolves.

[wolfbait]

I'm curious why "canadian wolves" that hunt moose and caribou would be anymore effective predators than "American" wolves that hunted moose and elk....and bison...and.......

Just to keep this in perspective...I am NOT friend of wolf...just dont like to hear bullcrap get spread.

SSS when ever possible.... it can make a little difference.... but it wont get rid of the wolves.

Hornseeker, the wolves that were brought down from Alberta are the biggest wolves made, they evolved chasing game that is much faster and larger in a far harsher climate and a land that is spread out. These wolves run in packs of up to 40. Our native wolves that no longer exist ran in packs up to six and were not as big a wolf. When Ed Bangs brought these wolves down he said they were looking for a wolf that could really kill elk, and they found just what they wanted in Alberta. When they brought these wolves down in order to introduce these wolves they had to change the species list, which will be explained in Scott's documentary.

[saylean]

Check out that lead bull, he loses his antlers at 5:50-5:55 min....just after he passes the tree.

[jbeaumont21]

Good to know the truth is finally coming out.

[SpotandStalk]

http://gf.state.wy.us/wildlife/wildlife_management/wolfdelisting/docs/wolfdelistpetition.pdf

The above link to the State of Wyoming's petition to delist the gray wolf covers the use of C. l. occidentalis (a larger subspecies of Canada) for re-introduction quite well.  The whole document is a great read but since this particular part is of discussion, start on page 17.

The link below is also a great source of reference material.

http://rliv.com/pic/Smithsonian%20Study.pdf