Calling bears?

[Coasthunterjay]

So i have a question............?

Is it legal or Illegal in Washington state to call bears?

[saylean]

legal

[bobcat]

You must be joking?      

[Head-shot]

I'm pretty sure it's legal

Damn I hope it is

[Coasthunterjay]

What if i could prove that the Washington Fish and Game regulations state nothing about calling bears wether legal or Not....But in actual fact it is illegal......?

Is anyone out there curious?

[Head-shot]

Let's see it

[bobcat]

Sure I'm curious how you could be so confused.

[Coasthunterjay]

not confused, just thought i would through a wrench out there and stir the post a little bit..........

Really just wanted to get all your guys opinions.....

[saylean]

It is illegal to hunt waterfowl, turkey, or
deer with the use or aid of electronic
calls and battery powered or other
electronic devices as decoys.
quoted from Game Laws.

[bobcat]

not confused, just thought i would through a wrench out there and stir the post a little bit..........

Really just wanted to get all your guys opinions.....

So you knew all along that it is legal? 

[jackelope]

Really just wanted to get all your guys opinions.....

opinions of what?

 

[Coasthunterjay]

It is illegal to hunt waterfowl, turkey, or
deer with the use or aid of electronic
calls and battery powered or other
electronic devices as decoys.
quoted from Game Laws.

I am glad you could quote the game regs....... .......that is only refering to electric calls though.......it says nothing about regular calls being used with bears though........so should i just rule it out thats its ok to use them?

Really just wanted to get all your guys opinions.....

opinions of what?

 

Just wanted to know how many people think its legal or illegal, and truely now the answer.....i am not sure if it is or isnt legal......Im not sure and people these days like seeing the hard cold facts so i  thought i would ask. No question is a stupid question....

[saylean]

This thread is pretty good...


for me to poop on...

I can also quote Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.

[billythekidrock]

not confused, just thought i would through a wrench out there and stir the post a little bit..........

No question is a stupid question....

I don't get what you are trying to do. Purposely get people riled up? And yes, there is such a thing as a stupid question when asked the way it is.

[billythekidrock]

What if i could prove that the Washington Fish and Game regulations state nothing about calling bears wether legal or Not....But in actual fact it is illegal......?

Is anyone out there curious?

Put up or shut up. Bring the proof.

[boneaddict]

Did you injure your head when you hurt your shoulder?   Remember, no question is a stupid question.

[Coasthunterjay]

NO, honestly, i have a friend who was out bear hunting a few years ago and had a game warden pull him over and check his licenses and tags and he saw some calls that he had on him (which were coyote calls) and the game warden had to ask if the calls where calling for bears.........my friend of course said NO......but asked why so?........so the game warden(a person who is suppose to be knowledgable in all this stuff) told him that when they passed the no hounds or baiting law on bears(i cant remember which) they also threw in a clause somewhere that said that you are not suppose to use any calls either........

My friend asked to see proof if he had any.......the game warden Quickly pulled out a huge Pub, some state law book, not the hunting regs and showed him.......in black and white it said no calls either.......

So my friend will not use calls on bears from know on. But on this website i see all kinds of people talking about using calls to get bears attentioon or to even call them in.....

I would like to know the honest truth before i get in trouble for calling bears behind my house........that and my friend seems to be very sincere about it, and if that law was changed ide like to let him know, because he hunts bears about 10 times more than i do.....

THATS WHY I ASKED!

[boneaddict]

Now, if you'd said all that in your first post instead of trying to fire someone up, you probably would have gotten a little more help.  I think that EROS stuff must have some extra fumes to it.  Wish I knew where to look for you.  I don't have a WAC book in front of me, at least pertaining to this.

[bowpredator]

Years ago I had bought a johnny stewart call box for calling dogs and was unsure if it was legal for bears and cats so one day down elk hunting I bumped into a warden and ask him if they were legal for bears and he pulls out this huge bible of a game regulation book and after 10 min of looking he could not find anything that says its illegal.But told me to call olympia just to make sure. I figure if its not in the regs we get and its not in a book that big then I'm not worring about it.

[CP]

There is nothing in RCW 77.15.245 forbidding the use of calls.

Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of dogs — Exceptions — Penalties.


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245

[ICEMAN]

Agree.

[bearmanric]

that's crazy. you can use electronic's  tofor big game to. Rick

[robodad]

WAC 232-12-257 Washington State Register filings since 2003
Use of decoys and calls.
 
  (1) It is unlawful to hunt waterfowl, wild turkeys, or deer with the use or aid of battery-powered or other electronic devices as decoys.

     (2) It is unlawful to hunt waterfowl, wild turkeys, or deer with the use or aid of electronic calls.

     (3) Except as otherwise authorized by rule of the commission or by contract or agreement with the department, any person placing waterfowl decoys on any area (including water, access areas, roads, and trails) under the ownership, management, lease, or control of the department, shall not:

     (a) Place waterfowl decoys prior to 4:00 a.m.;

     (b) Allow or permit waterfowl decoys to be unattended or not in their immediate control for a period greater than one hour;

     (c) Fail to remove waterfowl decoys within two hours after the close of established daily hunting hours; or

     (d) Place waterfowl decoys on days closed to waterfowl hunting.

     (4) This regulation shall be enforced under RCW 77.15.400

[bobcat]

Why is it that they made it illegal to use electronic calls to call deer, and not elk? Who actually hunts deer by calling them in anyway, other than rattling? I can't imagine rattling sounds on an e-call would sound that good, and most anybody can rattle antlers together without much, if any, practice and sound realistic. So, why would it be illegal for deer and not elk? Makes absolutely no sense.

[WDFW-SUX]

I bet they dont want people recording there feeder being turned on and putting  it on a CD so they can play it from the cab of the truck ala Texas.

[robodad]

RCW 77.15.480
Certain devices declared public nuisances. 

Articles or devices unlawfully used, possessed, or maintained for catching, taking, killing, attracting, or decoying wildlife, fish, and shellfish are public nuisances. If necessary, fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers may seize, abate, or destroy these public nuisances without warrant or process

Does this mean I can't use my clam decoy anymore ?? 

[bearmanric]

going to leave in a couple hour's to the coast. going to do some illegal hand calling. cant wait will be nice to get out. Rick

[saylean]

Good luck Rick ...hope to see some sweet pics once ya get back!

[bearmanric]

have the battery's charging right now for the camera. Rick

[Coasthunterjay]

going to leave in a couple hour's to the coast. going to do some illegal hand calling. cant wait will be nice to get out. Rick

Thats funny........i will let me friend now that there are a million people trying to find it and its no where to be found.......just thought id ask.....better safe than sorry! Hunting privladges are to good to give up for something like that......

Good luck bearman

[bobcat]

Looking forward to the picutures, Rick. Whether you are successful or not!

[bearmanric]

heading out the door. i just want get out will get picture's. take care everyone. Rick

[KillBilly]

According to WDFW Enforcement, WAC 232-12-257 is the only place calls are regulated. They claim that (after 4 hours of searching and asking enforcement agents)there are absolutely no restrictions on using hand calls of any kind for any species of bird or game animal. They just cannot be battery operated, elecronically amplified, or reproduced as stated in WAC 232-12-257.

Good question AJ, it even stumped the enforcement agency.

[Coasthunterjay]

THANKS AL, YOU THE MAN!

[bobcat]

Kind of odd they would spend 4 hours looking for a law that doesn't exist. If calling bears was illegal it would have been in the hunting regulation pamphlet. And we sure as heck wouldn't all be talking on the internet about how we are hunting bears by calling them in if it was illegal!

[KillBilly]

Kind of odd they would spend 4 hours looking for a law that doesn't exist. If calling bears was illegal it would have been in the hunting regulation pamphlet. And we sure as heck wouldn't all be talking on the internet about how we are hunting bears by calling them in if it was illegal!

You just like to argue Bobcat. The point was a question was ask. The question even stumped the enforcement officers.  Of course we all call but no one could state with authority that was legal. I didn't see you supplying the definitive answer.

[billythekidrock]

What if i could prove that the Washington Fish and Game regulations state nothing about calling bears wether legal or Not....But in actual fact it is illegal......?

Is anyone out there curious?

So why would you state that you could prove it if you couldn't?

[Curly]

You just like to argue Bobcat. The point was a question was ask. The question even stumped the enforcement officers.  Of course we all call but no one could state with authority that was legal. I didn't see you supplying the definitive answer.

The second reply was a definitive LEGAL.:

legal

[bobcat]

Kind of odd they would spend 4 hours looking for a law that doesn't exist. If calling bears was illegal it would have been in the hunting regulation pamphlet. And we sure as heck wouldn't all be talking on the internet about how we are hunting bears by calling them in if it was illegal!

You just like to argue Bobcat. The point was a question was ask. The question even stumped the enforcement officers.  Of course we all call but no one could state with authority that was legal. I didn't see you supplying the definitive answer.

Yes, it may be true that I like to argue, but in this case I don't see where I have argued anything. We all knew calling bears is legal. It's common knowledge, at least with most people on this board. I was simply posting my thoughts is all I was doing, not arguing at all. There's nothing to argue about, calling bears is legal and a call to WDFW sure wasn't necessary. I will just say that it really did irk me the way in which the question was originally posted on here by Coast Hunter. As Curly stated above, the question was answered in the second reply on this thread with just one word: "legal." I also feel that although the popular saying is that there is no such thing as a stupid question, this just might have been the rare exception.

[mossback91]

I also feel that although the popular saying is that there is no such thing as a stupid question, this just might have been the rare exception.

 

[Coasthunterjay]

Thank you for making me feel important...........

Im an exception..........

[Ghost Hunter]

Why did I just waste my time reading this entire thread

[jackelope]

i have said that about 6 times.

i'm hanging up this one too. let it die.

[ICEMAN]

I just want to know what number I call bears at!