Wolves

[fishnate]

Thought this would be a good read.

http://www.nwsportsmanmag.com/articles/2011/01/21/Calling+BS+On+A+Wolf+Story/

[jackelope]

 

[bearpaw]

WOW...I have mixed feelings about what the blog says. 

I'm thinking since everyone will be running to that thread mentioned, I better check my spelling in my posts... 

Has anyone told him he doesn't have to read wolfbaits posts....

[Special T]

According to him I'm a Blowhard Supporter because I agree with the authors implied thoughts  "What I see is a lot of time spent debating wolves as a surrogate for state's rights and animal rights (fringe issues). "

I would not Say Just Wolves but Spotted owls, Salmon, Suckerfish,bald eagle and many other animals that are used to trample individual rights... I don't pick "Fringe Issues" as a weapon, someone else did!  I want to build a house or shop on MY  property, or do some logging on MY land and I'm told NO because of a Eagle is nesting in my tree what kind of logic is that?

Logging accelerated to a break neck pace while the fight to close logging down because of the spotted owl... Much of it was rushed to beat the litigation. Land that should have let be for 5-10 years we logged off for fear they would never be able to again. 

I guess I'll have to high fence my property with "No Tresspassing" signs, so I can keep the States property "Wildlife" from tresspassing on my property and making it less usable or valuable!

Do i think the WDFW planted wolves? I don't think so, BUT if SCI can make an end run around the WDFW with little or no conversation, what makes you think an another independent group couldn't make an endrun around the WDFW by doing it on the sly with a Wink and a Nod? Who would do such a thing? Defenders of wildlife? Wolfhaven?  I don't know and don't have any proof so I'll just have to satisfied to be a Blowhard! 

[bearpaw]

SpecialT, I guess maybe I am a blowhard supporter too.... 

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the author has something against wolfbait. It appears he is using the magazine to make a big deal about wolfbait. I'm questioning how professional that may be.

I for one have been waiting for wolfbait to show his evidence, but that seems like a bit more than just questioning wolfbaits evidence. I guess one big thing I see wrong with the blog is that the author gives wolfbait absolutely no credit for all the solid information wolfbait has provided.

I must say, wolfbait has also probably provided more solid information about what is happening in various other states than anyone else on this forum. 

I can't remember the author's identity on here?

[luvtohnt]

Do i think the WDFW planted wolves? I don't think so, BUT if SCI can make an end run around the WDFW with little or no conversation, what makes you think an another independent group couldn't make an endrun around the WDFW by doing it on the sly with a Wink and a Nod? Who would do such a thing? Defenders of wildlife? Wolfhaven?  I don't know and don't have any proof so I'll just have to satisfied to be a Blowhard!  

You have to remember that SCI placed animals on the property of a sovergn nation, so they could get away with it. If the lookout pack was on a reservation then I would definatly raise an eyebrow. However I do not think the state would risk the massive lawsuits to just wink and nod at some private organizatiin to put wolves where ever they feel they should be.

Man and I thought I was hard on Wolfbait. Does anyone know who wrote that article?

Brandon

[Special T]

Many Eco freaks do not subscribe to the same laws you and i do... Is it so hard to imagine that someone with alternative funding and motive would do suck a thing? I guess i need to bust out my tin foil hat too.
 

Destruction of logging and construction equipment...  "Liberating"  Mink from fur farms and other animals from testing facilities... Earth liberation front, Animal liberation front, Environmental Rangers, The Moles, The Grey Wolves, Westcountry Wildlife Cell, Eco-Animal Defense Unit and Radical Brigades for Ecological Defence.

A wink and nod is also know as Plausible Deniability... It mean you might have a theory, but you can prove nothing.  

[bearpaw]

Do i think the WDFW planted wolves? I don't think so, BUT if SCI can make an end run around the WDFW with little or no conversation, what makes you think an another independent group couldn't make an endrun around the WDFW by doing it on the sly with a Wink and a Nod? Who would do such a thing? Defenders of wildlife? Wolfhaven?  I don't know and don't have any proof so I'll just have to satisfied to be a Blowhard!  

You have to remember that SCI placed animals on the property of a sovergn nation, so they could get away with it. If the lookout pack was on a reservation then I would definatly raise an eyebrow. However I do not think the state would risk the massive lawsuits to just wink and nod at some private organizatiin to put wolves where ever they feel they should be.

Man and I thought I was hard on Wolfbait. Does anyone know who wrote that article?

Brandon

I agree with you Brandon, I don't think WDFW would plant wolves. But, who else could have planted wolves without WDFW even knowing, and then people would think it's WDFW planting them. So there you go, it's very possible someone is planting wolves. Maybe wolfbait did see a white van releasing wolves? At this point no one can prove he didn't.  

It's true that the wolf issue is not settled in WA and we don't have the problems of Idaho and Montana YET.

However, it seems the author plays down the importance of wolves moving onto our landscape. I would like to remind the author that the WESTERN ASSOCIATION OF FISH AND WILDLIFE AGENCIES have sent off a resolution asking the federal government to DELIST THE GRAY WOLF AND RESTORE MANAGEMENT TO THE STATES.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,68393.0.html

Additionally I would remind the author that certain local governments are becoming just as fed up as wolfbait with the lack of federal action on wolves:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,68254.0.html

I for one don't think I like the position NWS Magazine has taken as it clearly plays down the importance of the wolf issue and makes it appear that anyone questioning allowing large numbers of wolves on the landscape is somehow a wacko.

Maybe I will put that on the front page of my wolf page when I update it...  

[JimmyHoffa]

You have to remember that SCI placed animals on the property of a sovergn nation, so they could get away with it. If the lookout pack was on a reservation then I would definatly raise an eyebrow. However I do not think the state would risk the massive lawsuits to just wink and nod at some private organizatiin to put wolves where ever they feel they should be.

Yeah, this makes me wonder how much a pro-wolf group (Defenders) would have to pay the tribes to release a pack of wolves on each reservation.  Yikes.  The doggies might get here sooner rather than later.

[Northwest Sportsman]

Brandon, the author would be one Andy Walgamott, editor of Northwest Sportsman magazine -- yours truly.

Dale, I have not overlooked the seriousness of wolves moving into the Northwest. Here's a sampling of more straight-news stories I've put online going back into May 2009, when our Web site was activated.

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/3-wolf-bills-in-wa-legislature/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/sw-wa-rep-no-reason-to-force-the-wolves-here/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/anderson-outlines-wa-wolves-at-house-hearing/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/rural-legislators-question-wdfw%E2%80%99s-wolf-info-land-plans/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/wolf-plan-comments-out/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/rmef-to-mt-quit-talking-settlement-with-wolf-litigators/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/usfws-on-the-way-forward-for-idaho-and-wolves/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/another-way-forward-on-wolves-hunters-pressure-wy/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/frustrated-angry-disappointed-at-judges-wolf-ruling/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/rmef-rips-national-wolf-recovery-petition/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/id-mt-move-to-curb-wolf-populations/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/northern-rockies-wolves-back-in-court/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/rmef-blasts-defenders/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/idaho-releases-wolf-hunt-stats/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/wolf-shot-just-east-of-wa-border/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/remote-cameras-watch-for-more-wa-wolves/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/rmef-fires-back-on-wolf-groups-disingenuous-use-of-its-data/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/wolves-a-tough-hunt-idahoans-find/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/wolf-meetings-wrap-up-in-wenatchee/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/want-wolves-take-em-i-5-corridor-rancher/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/more-wolves-not-less-seattle-says/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/aberdeen-wolves-unwelcome/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/why-wolf-meetings-during-rifle-hunts/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/hunters-speak-out-at-yakima-wolf-meeting/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/second-wolf-pack-in-washington/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/nw-wolf-watch-more-methow-pups-or-wolves-hit-wallowas/

http://nwsportsmanmag.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/twisp-wolves-on-the-move-east/

I may have spoken a bit too broadly about "blowhard supporters," because I recognize there are genuine concerns as well as frustrations as wolves return to WA. But I don't think anyone else in this state has been providing more news coverage of the issue than I have.

My beef in that blog was with BS.

AW
NWS

[Kyle84]

We have a problem here in BC, Canada Also. The wolves have moved as far down south here at the town of Mission which is in the lowermainland.

[Bruce Hemming]

The whole point about wolves is it base on junk science and criminal Fraud. In Michigan the USFWS illegally trap wolves in MN planted them in Michigan admitted to doing this for 2 years then change the story to nope they magically migrated there in the summer. LMAO but most people have no clue that is lie. Then we exposed the biggest lie ever told on wolves there has never been a documented wolf attack. Sure only a moron believe that LIE I found over 100 people killed in North America by wolves. The game department in Washington was caught even pictures taken of them releasing wolves. End of story. Now if you had real biologist that actually care about hunters they would in fact pass a law outlawing these illegal Canadian wolves and ban them from your state. If you don't get these killers out of your state right now your hunting is over in 15 years, ranchers will be forced out of business dogs ripped to shreds right in front of people.

[6x6in6]

The game department in Washington was caught even pictures taken of them releasing wolves. End of story.

Here we go again!!

You too can back up this CLAIM with pictures, can't you?

I didn't think so.........

[bearpaw]

 

Thanks for replying Andy, I thought you might be the author, but I wasn't sure. I have not been watching all your stories and I now see you have been reporting a lot about wolves. THANKYOU very much for doing that. Hunters depend on news sources like yours to deliver news that is important to hunters.

I do still think you have been unfairly harsh on Wolfbait. Granted many people doubt some of his claims, but I for one will not call BS until I know it's BS. In my previous post I laid out a very possible scenario in which wolfbait may have actually seen something to support his claims of wolves being released.

Has anyone done an accounting of all wolf/hybrid breeders in Washington and how many wolves they have raised and can account for?

Now take a look at the WDFW wolf pages and you will see Defenders of Wildlife propaganda. They have made it much harder to find, but it is still there. No wonder hunters do not trust WDFW.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/livestock_wolves08.pdf

I will agree that there is a lot questionable stories about wolves and it would be better if there were less stories like that. But that is just human nature for the stories to be there and especially when WDFW has Defenders of Wildlife propaganda on their website and they continue to downplay the impact of wolves as they do, it's additional fuel for the fire.

WDFW should present the facts as IDFG is now slowly beginning to do. Then there would be more trust. And don't think for a minute that IDFG started presenting more factual wolf info on their own. There has been tremendous pressure from the public and Idaho legislators to get the facts out.

I did notice that WDFW has changed their position on several things in regards to wolves, including wolf worms. Instead of saying these worms pose no threat as they used to more or less say, now they direct you to a factual report about how many wolves are infected in Idaho and Montana. So the fact that people are demanding facts is starting to pay off. In the beginning wolfbait was right, the WDFW wolf plan looked like a Defenders playbook.

Back to the point, wolfbait has good reason to not trust WDFW and who knows whether he saw wolves released or not. Perhaps he could have been more reserved in his claims, but no one can argue, he certainly has helped inform a lot of unsuspecting people with some of the factual info he has provided to the forum about the impacts of wolves in other states.

I still think you were far to harsh in your blog without knowing for a fact that wolfbait doesn't have some kind of proof, sorry but that's my opinion. 

[luvtohnt]

The whole point about wolves is it base on junk science and criminal Fraud.

Please explain how it is junk science and fraud.

Sure only a moron believe that LIE I found over 100 people killed in North America by wolves.

Link or documentation please.

The game department in Washington was caught even pictures taken of them releasing wolves. End of story.

You have proof? Lets see it!

Now if you had real biologist that actually care about hunters they would in fact pass a law outlawing these illegal Canadian wolves and ban them from your state.

Why would they really care about hunters, their job is to study and manage wildlife, not be all sentimental to the feelings of hunters. Yeah a hunter partially pays their wage but wildlife management is not all about hunters. It is about providing the best quality environment for the animals to thrive!

Now take a look at the WDFW wolf pages and you will see Defenders of Wildlife propaganda. They have made it much harder to find, but it is still there. No wonder hunters do not trust WDFW.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/livestock_wolves08.pdf

Of course they will have links all over the WDFW pages, they are the ones forking over the money for loss due to depredation, and offering assistance in that funny stuff they think keeps wolves away.If I was in that kind of business and was fronting lots of money as they have I would demand links to my site on theirs as well.

Brandon, the author would be one Andy Walgamott, editor of Northwest Sportsman magazine -- yours truly.

Thanks for letting me know.

Brandon