ok, i have decided which gun to get. it is a tikka t3 25-06. i won a 7 mm at a rmef banquet and traded it for a tikka after a post i did about the tikka. everyone who posted about tikka guns had positive comments and i thank you. after trying the gun at tristate in m.l. i liked it. hope it shoots as good as it feels. now i need to shoot a right handed left handed. there are few left handed guns out there. thanks for all the help. mike w