Remington 300 Ultra Mag

[MDGrand]

My 208 Amax bullets have a BC of .648, pretty hard to beat that BC.

You got me pretty excited, until I saw the following: (I think I will stick with my Berger 210s.. they have a BC of 0.631 and can be used on game.)

[Jeremiah P]

You should ask Josh T how they work on game. 

[Antlershed]

Or the two deer and an elk that I have killed with them in the two years I've been shooting them. 

[300UltraMagShooter]

why aren't they recommended for medium and large game?   

[bobcat]

I would guess that they open up too easily, especially at closer distances.

[haugenna]

You can go up to 113 grains of retumbo in the 30-378
180 GR. SPR SPBT  Hodgdon  Retumbo  .308"  3.600"  107.0  3228  43,200 CUP  113.0C  3460  54,700 CUP 

[MDGrand]

Well, If they work well for ya, more power to you! I know the Berger VLD bullet was originally designed for only target shooting as well and they found out it worked well for Hunting. So what is your experience with them as far as performance? Do they act like a ballastic tip?

[MtnMuley]

Berger has a specifically designed hunting VLD bullet.

[Antlershed]

I have never shot ballistic tips so I'm not really sure how they compare. The first deer I shot with the Amax's was at 585 yards, and it just clipped the offside shoulder on the way out, and there was very minimal meat damage. My deer this year was shot at about 100 yards, and I shot it in the neck and dropped him in his tracks. Wasn't a huge exit wound either. My elk this year was a neck shot at 250 yards and she dropped in her tracks and didn't have a huge exit wound either.

[MDGrand]

Berger has a specifically designed hunting VLD bullet.

Yes but they orginally were designed for Target shooting only.. they found out they were quite effective on game.

[MDGrand]

I have never shot ballistic tips so I'm not really sure how they compare. The first deer I shot with the Amax's was at 585 yards, and it just clipped the offside shoulder on the way out, and there was very minimal meat damage. My deer this year was shot at about 100 yards, and I shot it in the neck and dropped him in his tracks. Wasn't a huge exit wound either. My elk this year was a neck shot at 250 yards and she dropped in her tracks and didn't have a huge exit wound either.

So are the A Max's a bonded core bullet meant for weight retention, or are they meant to blow up like a ballistic tip. I would imagine if they say they are NOT recommended on game it is due to their inability to stay together or give a delayed expansion.

If you guys are getting such great hunting results, especially in an ultra mag then I wonder what Hornady's position is on this bullet.

I would love to try it. Currently, given the low BC of Hornady bullets I am not a fan. Too many other bullets like the Barnes, Berger and Accubond that I think I superior.

[bobcat]

So are the A Max's a bonded core bullet meant for weight retention, or are they meant to blow up like a ballistic tip. I would imagine if they say they are NOT recommended on game it is due to their inability to stay together or give a delayed expansion.

It's not really correct to say that ballistic tips are "meant to blow up." The ones designed as varmint bullets, probably, but the ballistic tips designed for hunting big game are definitely not designed to blow up. I'm not saying they WON'T. It really just depends on the specific circumstances- bullet caliber/weight, velocity at impact, bones hit or not, etc.

[MDGrand]

Well, I am going to have to disagree slightly with you. We are starting to get in the "better bullet arguement" So I will tread lightly as its all seamantics.. everyone has a favorite and a way of explaining 

I agree that they are not varmint type bullets, but they are meant to shed about half their weight sending shards all over and inside the animal, according to nosler ballistic tip web site, they are meant to expand "on impact." I have seen what they do on deer and they will kill it, sure. I would not want to use them on larger Muleys though or elk, bear, etc. I think they are best for White tail, black tail and even some varmints. But this is just my two cents.. some guys MUST have an entrance and exit hole.. others think that by the bullet blowing up that ALL its energy is now dumped into the animal and that is better.

Whatever the case, the common factor in all, is shot placement.. So whatever one you can shoot straiter, use it.

[MtnMuley]

Berger has a specifically designed hunting VLD bullet.

Yes but they orginally were designed for Target shooting only.. they found out they were quite effective on game.

Yes, but the hunting VLD is still a different bullet than the match/target VLD.  That's like comparing the A-Max to the V-Max.  Just because they look alike, they're totally different.

[MDGrand]

Berger has a specifically designed hunting VLD bullet.

Yes but they orginally were designed for Target shooting only.. they found out they were quite effective on game.

Yes, but the hunting VLD is still a different bullet than the match/target VLD.  That's like comparing the A-Max to the V-Max.  Just because they look alike, they're totally different.

I know they are different.. all I am saying is the Hunting VLD used to be JUST a target bullet, they FOUND OUT it was effective on game and slapped a hunting name on it. I was not comparing the two.. just saying that perhaps the A Max will soon be slapped with the Hunting designation too if guys like the ones on this board keep taking animals reliably with them.