105 Kelley Hill

[TeacherMan]

last time i hunted kelley hill the deer were everywhere hundreds but right next to a 4x8 sheet of plywood saying NO HUNTING, course that was ten years ago   turkeys too

The plywood is still there. I know the owners. It's 1500 acres of private cattle grazing land right uo to the border.

I've hunted that 

[buckhorn2]

TeacherMan how is the Stump doing I havent seen him on for a while hope he is okay he has been one of my favorites.

[Elkaholic daWg]

last time i hunted kelley hill the deer were everywhere hundreds but right next to a 4x8 sheet of plywood saying NO HUNTING, course that was ten years ago  turkeys too

The plywood is still there. I know the owners. It's 1500 acres of private cattle grazing land right uo to the border.

 My bet says hes talking about this place
 Another spot like that much farther south near river. Last couple years significantly less deer.   4x8 hasn't been there in a few years ,but still I believe hunting not allowed. I heard he had to take down the sign after applying for wildlife damage money. That field used to be LOADED with deer and turkeys!

[Camo]

So am I the only one that thinks this is too aggressive? I am all for clear cutting, creating new food sources and more suitable habitat. However, what happens to the deer that are there now, come next winter when half the forest is gone and we have another winter such as '07/'08'/'09. How will the existing animals survive that with zero cover and immature browse buried under three feet of frozen snow? I am of the belief that a 5-10 year plan would have been a much better alternative. What am I missing?

[bearpaw]

Camo I grew up hunting that unit, it was all cut many years ago and deer numbers were higher, it's all grown up now with no browse, I have snowmobiled a lot of it this winter while cougar hunting, when you come into the few clear cuts that are there, that's where you see the game. The most game is on the timber company ground everywhere that has been logged steadily.

I guarantee you, if they cut it heavy, that will have the most positive effect of anything that could happen. Why do you think the hunting is always so good after a big fire?

Be glad the USFS is going to allow some logging.

[TeacherMan]

TeacherMan how is the Stump doing I haven't seen him on for a while hope he is okay he has been one of my favorites.

My dad has been doing really good, he has lost over 100 pounds on a protein diet, he is turing into a twig not a stump! Since I moved to AK its been hard to get him to go out in the woods. he said he lost his hunting partner. Anyway he was able to get a doe this season, did it all by himself. First deer he has had to drag or gut in 15 years he always shoots and tells me to fetch. He actually went out opening day and saw several really nice bucks but they where to far off of the road and he new he couldn't drag them that far so he passed them up. He took a pic of a nice 5x5 at 150yds opening weekend  Said it was to far from the road.  Remember he is fully disabled. I will bug him to get back on, he would like it.

[Ridgeratt]

Camo I grew up hunting that unit, it was all cut many years ago and deer numbers were higher, it's all grown up now with no browse, I have snowmobiled a lot of it this winter while cougar hunting, when you come into the few clear cuts that are there, that's where you see the game. The most game is on the timber company ground everywhere that has been logged steadily.

I guarantee you, if they cut it heavy, that will have the most positive effect of anything that could happen. Why do you think the hunting is always so good after a big fire?

Be glad the USFS is going to allow some logging.

I also have spent some time in 105. The first tag fill was 1966. Yes is has been cruised from the border to just above Barstow but in talking to the FS it is what they said a 10 year project. If you spend any time up there and see the beetle damage on the trees it is just a fire waiting to happen!!! A classic example of the was the Togo fire we had several years ago . 2003 it was dropping burning embers in the yard and you couldn't see a 100 yards. If you talk to the FS guys the call it the iron Forest. If a fire started it would burn miles before they got it out.

[Jesse Jaymes]

I am in that unit everyday and I am not at all impressed with anything on "public" or huntable lands.  Most cuts were sprayed with herbicide.  That left me questioning the impact of the spraying on all the critters, especially the deer.  Who knows.  I am not a Native here so I have no history to recall of the herds here.

And you really have to know the tiny pockets of mule deer, but to me, they are almost non-existant.  You certainly won't find them everywhere.

[CAMPMEAT]

I am in that unit everyday and I am not at all impressed with anything on "public" or huntable lands.  Most cuts were sprayed with herbicide.  That left me questioning the impact of the spraying on all the critters, especially the deer.  Who knows.  I am not a Native here so I have no history to recall of the herds here.

And you really have to know the tiny pockets of mule deer, but to me, they are almost non-existant.  You certainly won't find them everywhere.

You must not live here. We have more muleys now then we did 10 years ago. Where did you get this info about, herbicide ? There is neary 100,000 acres of huntable land here that has nothing to do with the State, WDFW, DNR. Give us the facts.

[bearpaw]

I am in that unit everyday and I am not at all impressed with anything on "public" or huntable lands.  Most cuts were sprayed with herbicide.  That left me questioning the impact of the spraying on all the critters, especially the deer.  Who knows.  I am not a Native here so I have no history to recall of the herds here.

And you really have to know the tiny pockets of mule deer, but to me, they are almost non-existant.  You certainly won't find them everywhere.

The sprayed cuts are all private timber lands. The USFS lands can not be sprayed and most are thick dark timber currently. Some logging, expecially spread out over 10 years will be the best thing that can happen.

[bobcat]

Why can the USFS land not be sprayed?

[luvtohnt]

USFS can be sprayed but they are extremely limited on the herbicides they can use, and they also have rotations so every 3 or 5 years they don't spray for that year. At least that is the case in the Wenatchee national forest in Kittitas County.

Brandon

[bobcat]

Good deal. Too bad the private timberlands don't have the same restrictions.

[luvtohnt]

 

That is cool but in regards to your other comment that would just mean the goverment was placing more restrictions on industry, something I thought everyone on this site was opposed to.

Brandon

[bobcat]

Not me, not if it means protecting habitat for PUBLIC wildlife.