$30 Access Permit for State Lands (WDFW, DNR, & Parks)

[Armadillo]

I'd be more for it if the proposed actions included opening DNR gates for permit holders and actually "increasinging" the access for the public onto PUBLIC land 

[Special T]

Ahh but it wouldn't be a TAX then you would actually be getting something for your $$$

[Armadillo]

this day in age, its tough to get anything for your money!

[pianoman9701]

I don't have a problem with it if all the money goes back into the public lands that I'm paying to access. The problem is that fee money is like crack to the politicians. If they're not prohibited from touching it, they'll steal all they can get away with.

[Armadillo]

 

How would we ever know where the money goes anyway?

[Special T]

Just like the specilized licence plates and the Rev they generate for your favorite cause? then thier budget goes down by that ammount.    Crack is right.

[bigtex]

Just like the specilized licence plates and the Rev they generate for your favorite cause? then thier budget goes down by that ammount.    Crack is right.

Kind of a similar situation with several friends who work for a federal agency. Basically it came to the end of the budget year and the office director had several thousand $ left over, so he thought he would be the good employee and return the money back to HQ. Well the next year's budget came out and his office had been cut by the same amount that he returned, the reasoning was that obviously he didn't need that extra money. So how do agencies/offices not lose this funding? At the end of the budget year they stock up on all kinds of office supplies and electronics because they know if they return any left over money that the next budget their office will take a hit. Maybe this is a problem with government spending? Maybe reward agencies/offices for returning left over funds instead of punishing them....

[Special T]

Its called ZERO BASED BUDGETING! And if I was to pull the kind of $hit they do in their "accounting dept" I would go to jail! One set of rules if your "The Man" and one for the rest of the Peasants!

[KopperBuck]

Just like the specilized licence plates and the Rev they generate for your favorite cause? then thier budget goes down by that ammount.    Crack is right.

Kind of a similar situation with several friends who work for a federal agency. Basically it came to the end of the budget year and the office director had several thousand $ left over, so he thought he would be the good employee and return the money back to HQ. Well the next year's budget came out and his office had been cut by the same amount that he returned, the reasoning was that obviously he didn't need that extra money. So how do agencies/offices not lose this funding? At the end of the budget year they stock up on all kinds of office supplies and electronics because they know if they return any left over money that the next budget their office will take a hit. Maybe this is a problem with government spending? Maybe reward agencies/offices for returning left over funds instead of punishing them....

Right on the money.. Worked for a natural resource agency in WA, I came in the end of May - I had more gadgets than I knew what to with. Just trying to dump funds before the end of the biennium. It's sad, but completely true. If you don't spend it, typically they'll remove it. The system doesn't account for fluctuation of needs. One year you may have 100 cost share projects lined up, but the next only 25. Unfortunately this leads to agencies trying to document possible T/A and cost share opportunities, rather than executing. But that's a whole 'nother topic...

[KopperBuck]

Its called ZERO BASED BUDGETING! And if I was to pull the kind of $hit they do in their "accounting dept" I would go to jail! One set of rules if your "The Man" and one for the rest of the Peasants!

My agency actually went with that approach, and it's attractive b/c it's different. But good luck getting everyone to move over that direction. There's too much work involved - like documentation, forecasting, planning - you know things that private businesses have to do constantly.

[Special T]

My mother was and my wife is a teacher. I know all about gov bureaucracy.    Nothing wrong with working for the state, but the checks and balances involved are nothing like the private sector.  Neighbor of mine works in the shop for a "local" public works dept. they ordered a new garbage truck that was 1500lbs over weight EMPTY! when the scale master wrote them up it was only for a fix! I wish i had that courtesy! and then for the next 3 trips after each "fix" it was still overweight... I find it amazing that ANYTHING is still made in this state where State agencies Hunt their prey for a little blood letting to increase the bottom line.. I know of several business owners that put FINES AND INFRACTION into their budget because they know it is going to be part of their business, despite their best efforts to comply!  Ugh