Non FFL gun sales...how do you feel?

[Lowedog]

Did a search and didn't really find much. 

How do you guys feel about selling firearms registered to you not going through an FFL?  Are guns that we purchase new actually registered to us?  Is there a data base that has those serial numbers when we fill out the paper work to be cleared for purchase? 

Thanks!

[bobcat]

I believe they only keep track of handguns. I know one time several years ago when I purchased a new handgun, a letter was sent out to the city I lived in at that time, notifying them of the purchase.   

[BIGINNER]

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE REGISTERED TO YOU,  YOU PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK AND IT SHOWS THAT THE LAST FFL TRANACTION WAS TO YOU.  WHEN I SELL GUNS I JUST HAVE A BILL OF SALE WRITEN OUT FOR MYSELF TO KEEP.  AND IF I SELL THROUGH GUNBROKER I KEEP ALL THE GUNBROKER DOCUMENTS,  

[Wenatcheejay]

Guns? What guns? I have no guns. When I buy one I take it swiming in the Columbia and always loose it. I have no guns.

[BIGINNER]

Guns? What guns? I have no guns. When I buy one I take it swiming in the Columbia and always loose it. I have no guns.

you do that too???  i thought i was the only one

[Wazukie]

I can guarantee you that if one was to run a serial number that you purchased from an FFL, either hand gun or long gun, your name would be attached to it.  I know from experience when I firearm was stolen from my dad, an old 22lr.  He had no idea that it was missing until he got a call from the local sheriff about it.

[Lowedog]

I can guarantee you that if one was to run a serial number that you purchased from an FFL, either hand gun or long gun, your name would be attached to it.  I know from experience when I firearm was stolen from my dad, an old 22lr.  He had no idea that it was missing until he got a call from the local sheriff about it.

That is what I am afraid of.  I have an AR lower that I don't need and got through and FFL.  I wonder if I sold it non FFL and for some reason down the road somewhere it is involved in something are the powers that be gonna ask me questions?  Or if I just say I sold that they will say OK and go away?

[BIGINNER]

I can guarantee you that if one was to run a serial number that you purchased from an FFL, either hand gun or long gun, your name would be attached to it.  I know from experience when I firearm was stolen from my dad, an old 22lr.  He had no idea that it was missing until he got a call from the local sheriff about it.

That is what I am afraid of.  I have an AR lower that I don't need and got through and FFL.  I wonder if I sold it non FFL and for some reason down the road somewhere it is involved in something are the powers that be gonna ask me questions?  Or if I just say I sold that they will say OK and go away?

thats pretty much how it works,... but its best to at leat have a bill of sale writen out with the persons info just in case   

[Wazukie]

When I sell or buy a gun i get a bill of sell that has name address phone number and drivers license number. I have a place on the bill of sale(If I am the Seller) where they state and sign that they are not a convicted felon or in no way secluded from owning a firearm.  THis may or not hold up in court if something were to happen but its the way I have done it for the very few I have sold.  If the other party doesn't want to provide the information then the transaction doesn't happen. 

[sisu]

Once they are sold they are sold. I only sell guns at gun shows. If the person who inquiries about the gun seems like a *censored*bag I'll raise the price so high that it is ridiculous.

[BlackRidge]

I can guarantee you that if one was to run a serial number that you purchased from an FFL, either hand gun or long gun, your name would be attached to it.  I know from experience when I firearm was stolen from my dad, an old 22lr.  He had no idea that it was missing until he got a call from the local sheriff about it.

That is what I am afraid of.  I have an AR lower that I don't need and got through and FFL.  I wonder if I sold it non FFL and for some reason down the road somewhere it is involved in something are the powers that be gonna ask me questions?  Or if I just say I sold that they will say OK and go away?

thats pretty much how it works,... but its best to at leat have a bill of sale writen out with the persons info just in case   

Yup, make a legally binding contract with all the needed info and you should be good, so long as the person you're selling it to is capable of owning one (to your knowledge). If you want something more official, have the contract notarized

The most important part IMO is making sure the person you're selling it to is trustworthy

[huntandjeep]

I once sold a handgun to a guy i work with. I went to the states website (i think) and downloded a gun transfer form. Then i had him sign it gave him a copy and mailed it to Olympia.

[Bigshooter]

I have sold a lot of guns that I bought new.  I have never done a bill of sale for any of them.  I would not lose a second of sleep selling to anyone that I thought could legally own a gun.  If its used in a crime and you are worried about getting in trouble about it then you worry to much.  

[markts]

I had a gun once

[Lowedog]

I have sold a lot of guns that I bought new.  I have never done a bill of sale for any of them.  I would not lose a second of sleep selling to anyone that I thought could legally own a gun.  If its used in a crime and you are worried about getting in trouble about it then you worry to much.   

I think you are right!   

[Jamieb]

I've bought and sold privately and never did a bill of sale. I've even sold a couple of rifles to members of this site

[carpsniperg2]

Its always a good idea to do a bill of sale just incase. It takes about 2mins to do and covers your butt!

[bobcat]

I've only sold a few guns and I've never done any bill of sale either, never even got a name or anything. If I wrote up a bill of sale I'd just lose it anyway. 

I'm not too worried about it. But I could see where you might want to do so if dealing with shady characters.

[Lowedog]

Another thought I have had is if they ever ban ARs and I have one registered in my name I no longer own will they want to search for it? 

[lazydrifter]

A long rifle is not registered to you.  Only a handgun.  If you run a serial # on a long gun it will not give them your name.   When a gun is purchased at a dealer a background check is done to see if you can legally purchase it.

[Heredoggydoggy]

The way I was told, if a gun is recovered that was used in a crime, or stolen, the only thing the authorities can do is 1: Contact the manufacturer of the gun. 2: The maufacturer will tell them who the distributer is that they sent the gun to.  3:  The distributer will tell them what gun shop the gun was sold to. 4:  The gun shop will tell them who the individual was that the gun was sold to.  That's usually the end of the paper trail.  One time a gun was recovered by the police, and they called the last known owner.  They asked him if he wanted his gun back.  He told them that he sold the gun several years ago.  The policeman said; "That's not what we're asking!--DO YOU WANT YOUR GUN BACK?"  The guy said "Heck, yeah!"

[Todd_ID]

I once sold a handgun to a guy i work with. I went to the states website (i think) and downloded a gun transfer form. Then i had him sign it gave him a copy and mailed it to Olympia.

When I bought my AR a month ago I used the local hardware store for the FFL transfer of the lower.  They had me fill out the WA state paperwork for pistols as well as the normal long gun background check paperwork.  They said the state handles long guns without barrels the same as pistols, so your lower may be registered with the state to you the same as a pistol if you got in WA through an FFL.  You might want to follow this suggestion above.

[Heredoggydoggy]

I think whatever the state law is, it's irrelevant.  Say you buy a gun, then move out of state and take the gun with you.  It's the Federal Gun Laws you have to worry about.  If an AR stripped lower is sold as a pistol lower, it can never be used legally as a rifle lower.  You stick a buttstock on it, and it's in violation of Federal Law.  If the lower is sold as a rifle lower, it can not be made into an AR pistol.  Again a violation of Federal Law.  For that reason, most, if not all manufacturers of AR pistols are plainly stamping the lower "Pistol Only".

[ICEMAN]

To solve all your worries, never ever sell any gun, keep them all. 

[KeeKeeBlamo]

I'm with ICEMAN why are you selling your guns. I wanna keep all mine.

[machine]

I have sold a lot of guns that I bought new.  I have never done a bill of sale for any of them.  I would not lose a second of sleep selling to anyone that I thought could legally own a gun.  If its used in a crime and you are worried about getting in trouble about it then you worry to much.  

[Mookie]

If an AR stripped lower is sold as a pistol lower, it can never be used legally as a rifle lower.  You stick a buttstock on it, and it's in violation of Federal Law. Again a violation of Federal Law.  For that reason, most, if not all manufacturers of AR pistols are plainly stamping the lower "Pistol Only".

Not true. According to law if a pistol has a stock installed, must be done after a 16+'' barrel is installed or the barrel removed otherwise it is considered an SBR, it is then considered a rifle and THEN cannot be changed to a handgun. Same as if it were a 1911, Glock, 10/22 Charger, T/C.