Montana Deer Tags

[benhuntin]

Forgot to mention, it sounds like the deer should be high draw odds, from what I was told it's not a huge oversell.

What do you mean by oversell, isnt it a draw

[Huntnphish]

I'm not sure how 2 different people applying for the same land would change the odds?  My family has 30 landowner Sponsorships (the state allows up to 15 per resident with 640 contiguos acres I believe???) and the #'s of successful hunter's generally coorolates with the overall average in the drawing.

 Its mainly based on the number of landowners that are participating. If there are less than 1000 owners participating then each landowner will recieve 2 tags. If there are any of the 2000 tags remaining then those remaining tags are randomly drawn to remaining applicants.

 If there are more than 1000 landowners participating then each landowner is not even guaranteed 2 tags.

[KimberRich]

I'm not sure how 2 different people applying for the same land would change the odds?  My family has 30 landowner Sponsorships (the state allows up to 15 per resident with 640 contiguos acres I believe???) and the #'s of successful hunter's generally coorolates with the overall average in the drawing.

 Its mainly based on the number of landowners that are participating. If there are less than 1000 owners participating then each landowner will recieve 2 tags. If there are any of the 2000 tags remaining then those remaining tags are randomly drawn to remaining applicants.

 If there are more than 1000 landowners participating then each landowner is not even guaranteed 2 tags.

What do you mean each landowner will receive 2 tags?  I'm confused on what you are saying??  Are you talking if there are less applications than there are total tags??

Each landowner is not guaranteed any tags.  They are given Landowner consent forms to attach to your application to allow you to get into the Landowner Drawing.  Nothing is guaranteed.  Before my family expanded the # number of tags they were getting from 15 to 30 a few years back, there was a year when only 1 person of the 15 were drawn.  The very next year 13 of the 15 were drawn. 

[bearpaw]

Not a quarantee that every applicant will draw, but that at least all landowners recieve an equal certain number who will draw, and the excess applicants are a random draw. This way when there are too many applicants every landowner could count on getting 1 or 2 applicants drawn.

[KimberRich]

Not a quarantee that every applicant will draw, but that at least all landowners recieve an equal certain number who will draw, and the excess applicants are a random draw. This way when there are too many applicants every landowner could count on getting 1 or 2 applicants drawn.

I hadn't heard of that.  I had no idea that every landowner could count on getting one or two tags.  But looking back over the years, at least 1 or 2 people were always drawn on my family's sponsorship so it makes sense.  So what happens if they only had 2 applicants?  They would both get tags guaranteed?

[Huntnphish]

I hadn't heard of that.  I had no idea that every landowner could count on getting one or two tags.  But looking back over the years, at least 1 or 2 people were always drawn on my family's sponsorship so it makes sense.  So what happens if they only had 2 applicants?  They would both get tags guaranteed?

 Just a suggestion, but before you explain how a system works on a website with 7000 members, complete with draw odds, you should understand how the system works yourself.

Landowner Sponsor: Two thousand nonresident Deer Combination Licenses are set aside for deer hunters sponsored by Montana landowners to hunt deer on the sponsors deeded land. Landowners who own 640 or more contiguous acres are eligible to sponsor hunters. Licenses are distributed equally, up to two sponsored hunters per landowner, before the remaining licenses are issued in a random drawing.

 Bearpaw is correct!!!

[KimberRich]

I hadn't heard of that.  I had no idea that every landowner could count on getting one or two tags.  But looking back over the years, at least 1 or 2 people were always drawn on my family's sponsorship so it makes sense.  So what happens if they only had 2 applicants?  They would both get tags guaranteed?

 Just a suggestion, but before you explain how a system works on a website with 7000 members, complete with draw odds, you should understand how the system works yourself.

Landowner Sponsor: Two thousand nonresident Deer Combination Licenses are set aside for deer hunters sponsored by Montana landowners to hunt deer on the sponsors deeded land. Landowners who own 640 or more contiguous acres are eligible to sponsor hunters. Licenses are distributed equally, up to two sponsored hunters per landowner, before the remaining licenses are issued in a random drawing.

 Bearpaw is correct!!!

Good advice.  I honestly thought I knew more about the draw process over there than I apparently do???  The draw odds info is directly from MFWP so I'm hoping that is correct. 

I've helped my family over there with the process and helped them deal with the state and helped with all the paperwork for years now and in my 20+ emails with MFWP in the last 2 years about draw #'s and odds and rule changes and everything else I have never heard that they evenly distribute the tags among the landowners and then divide up the remaining tags.  I just got off the phone with my Uncle in Lewistown and he said it's news to him after doing the landowner sponsorship for many years.

I learn something new every day!

Anyone have any ideas on how many landowners on average participate?

[Huntnphish]

Anyone have any ideas on how many landowners on average participate?

 That, my friend, is key to whole thing.   PM sent