Dave Ware's March 4th Presentation on Special Permits

[Bob33]

I have 13 points and think it is a bad idea.  I have better odds than someone with fewer points, but no guarantee of a high quality tag.  That's the way it should be in my opinion.

In 2009 there were 652 applicants with ten or more elk points.  Using the Dayton elk tag as an example: there were 30 permits.  If every one of those 652 applicants were to apply for one of those tags, it would take over 20 years to award them.  Meanwhile, everyone else has no chance.  Is that really a better solution?

The fact is there are far more applicants than quality tags.

[MuleySniper]

I do not like the new system, and I hate the way they draw names. They explained it to me on the phone but it was too confusing to understand. when people can draw tags with one point and one guy in this state has 26 points and doesn't get drawn there is something very wrong with the system.  I have talked to Dave Ware about this and about the 10 or more point category. If we are going to keep this system which they will it produces too much money for them, then I love the Idea of a category that only lets people with 10 or more points apply.  I even think areas that only have 10 or fewer tags should only be available to people with 8 or more points.  I just wrong that us guys that have been waiting 16 years for certain tags get nothing while some lucky guy with 1 or 4 points gets the tag.  I believe you should have to sacrifice some time to draw some of our very special tags, and a few of us have for far too long.

I agree. If it were left up to "luck of the draw" what is the use of a point system? Id be for a 10 pt plus only category. I don't think it is fair for the limited tag number categories for the first time hunter to draw a sheep tag while the guy with max points gets to bang his head on the wall for another year. Yeah, it seems unfortunate to those just starting but hey, get in line.
 

[nontypical176]

Ahhh yes.  After putting in for a bull tag all of my hunting life, I finally drew one last year and now I will not be buying another.  It took far too long to draw a tag that didn't turn out to be that great of a hunt anyhow.  I now have the option of designating weapon of choice at any time, and to me thats priceless.  I work construction and in this economy can not afford to be turning down good money for hunting seasons because of designating while putting in for special permits......Freedom.....I can't wait, of course I'll have to practice with all 3 weapon choices, darn it, and I won't have to worry about extreme weather conditions like a dry hot bow or early muzzy season, or calm clear during rifle....Nope I'll just go hunting when its right for me, when I'm layed off, the weather is right, maybe when some buddys are hunting or if I see a bull out scouting, I'll just buy my tag the day before I'm ready to start huntin.

Yep the WDFW has succesfully convinced me that I'd be happier not paying for the special permit.  This year is gonna be great, no pressure because of work, just good times in the field.  I do wonder how much of the money we dump into the WDFW for permits was wasted coming up with this genius new system, or if it was just an overnight brain fart.  Good luck with your permits.

[Curly]

I'm guessing the guys that don't like the 10 points or better catagory don't have 10 points?  I would think if you've been waiting 16 plus years to draw a tag that you would get tired of seeing guys with 2 points drawing?  I'm not here to argue with anyone, just my  .

I don't like the 10 point category idea; and yeah, I don't have 10 points, but even if I did I wouldn't like it.  I'd like to think that if I had more than 10 points I'd still think it is a bad idea just like I'd hope that I would have seen the distribution of points into all categories as a terrible idea too. 

There are currently too many categories as it is.  Adding another is just not a good idea........maybe it is a good idea for making a few extra dollars for WDFW, but overall it is a bad idea, IMO.  They had a system in place that worked, so they should have just kept it the way it was or if they wanted to change it, it could have been tweaked slightly.  Actually, the category thing is okay if they would have just limited it to buck and doe and bull and cow and left all the other categories out of the system.  (And they should have made the applicant decide which category they wanted all their points distributed into the first year of the category thing).

For one thing, what are they going to do......make a category for entiat or desert for guys with more than 10 points?  They couldn't afford to give out many permits in those categories to make it worthwhile.  Or maybe they will just take each unit that has permits and take out 1% of the permits to include in a 10 point category? Most of those guys with more than 10 points would still not draw that permit.  There are already other categories that guys with more than 10 points can draw; and they were given points in each category so they should just feel fortunate for that and quit bitchin'. 

[grundy53]

The system is already designed to give people a better chance of drawing every year, as their number of points increase. It is absolutely asinine to even consider making a separate category for those with 10 points or more. The only reason the DFW would do such a thing is to sell more applications. I won't be surprised at all though if they choose to make this state's permit system even more ridiculous than it already is. We must be the laughing stock of every other fish & wildlife department in this country.

 

[grundy53]

I'm guessing the guys that don't like the 10 points or better catagory don't have 10 points?  I would think if you've been waiting 16 plus years to draw a tag that you would get tired of seeing guys with 2 points drawing?  I'm not here to argue with anyone, just my  .

Well by your reasoning then we should have a local only category. Because i'm sure that people who live in the those units are tired of watching out of towners draw those tags every year while they have to sit at home. ITS NOT FAIR

[Curly]

I wish you guys would stop giving them ideas on new categories............

   

[Bob33]

If you really want a true preference point system, look at Colorado.

http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/FAB33AB5-33BA-4BF4-9E40-12418F55E7BB/0/ElkMinPP10.pdf

Some of the best elk units have minimum points to draw of 15 or more. That means you have absolutely no chance of drawing for the first 15 years.  It takes 15 or more years of applying just to play the game.  Then you have a chance that is often less than 100%.

[trophyhunt]

I'm guessing the guys that don't like the 10 points or better catagory don't have 10 points?  I would think if you've been waiting 16 plus years to draw a tag that you would get tired of seeing guys with 2 points drawing?  I'm not here to argue with anyone, just my  .

Well by your reasoning then we should have a local only category. Because i'm sure that people who live in the those units are tired of watching out of towners draw those tags every year while they have to sit at home. ITS NOT FAIR

Ok I might be crying a river, but it's been 15 years- almost half my life since I've drawn an elk tag... can't I cry just a little.

[grundy53]

I'm guessing the guys that don't like the 10 points or better catagory don't have 10 points?  I would think if you've been waiting 16 plus years to draw a tag that you would get tired of seeing guys with 2 points drawing?  I'm not here to argue with anyone, just my  .

Well by your reasoning then we should have a local only category. Because i'm sure that people who live in the those units are tired of watching out of towners draw those tags every year while they have to sit at home. ITS NOT FAIR

Ok I might be crying a river, but it's been 15 years- almost half my life since I've drawn an elk tag... can't I cry just a little.

  everybody is entitled to their own little pity party every once in awhile.

[trophyhunt]

Thanks I feel much better........for now atleast.  2 months from now I will be crying a river for sure when some lucky f er with 2 points gets MY TAG...

[Bob33]

Thanks I feel much better........for now atleast.  2 months from now I will be crying a river for sure when some lucky f er with 2 points gets MY TAG...

I've got an idea: how about if you give me all your points, and I'll give you just a couple back.  That way you can be sure to draw! 

(well, it was worth a try...)