ford fans beware...the following post may upset you

[FC]

Sorry, FC...

I have done my research and don't need a lesson. This is one of those topics where one must agree to disagree.

GM has hung on to the 350 (5.7), 327(5.3), etc for decades and decades.. "redesigning from the crank up in not an accurate term".. its just the addition of fuel injection, cam timiing, etc that all maufacturers have done along with probably some better materials.

Not trying to be nasty here but if you had the faintest clue what you were talking about this would sound credible but to anyone who DOES know what they are talking about it doesn't!

Not one single part aside from (maybe) some odd accessory bolts will fit a "350" from a 4.8, 5.3 or 6.0l engine. They are a completely different design and share nothing in common.

The only reason Ford has kept using the same junk parts is because people keep buying them..."Best selling" because they are the cheapest! Let's see a show of hands: who thinks the Dodge Caravan is a good vehicle? Who here has owned more than two of them? I have had an amazing number of people tell me that they were good rigs, they were on their third one and apparently someone had brainwashed them to think that you were SUPPOSED to perform major repairs at least once a year...

[mebco09]

Are you familiar with your metric to inch conversions?

Are you really debating 0.025?

I will have to agree with you about your bail out comment though.

No, not debating .025", and metric to inch conversions have nothing to do with your statement.  What you are mixing and matching is different designs of motors.  The 5.3 is a LS series motor that happens to displace about 327".   When you refer to a motor as a "327", the image is that of a cast-block, Gen 1 or 2 Chevy small block, carbureated (or mechanical fuel-injection), single overhead cam, points distributor, 4 inch bore, 3.25 inch stroke etc. etc. (if memory serves me, the 5.3 bore is smaller and the stroke is longer than a gen 2. 327).  Same goes for a "350".  In other words, try putting any part from a 5.3 or 5.7 into a "327" or "350".  Totally different motors.  Just sayin'

[MDGrand]

Mebco09, FC...

All of this is semantics..

Yes, the 350 is different than the 5.7... it has grown and evolved over time.. but the same overall displacement albeit with new cams, injectors, etc.. have evolved..

Get mad all you want.. call the rest brainwashed.. it really doesnt matter.

Its a Ford vs. Chevy convo.. it goes nowhere.. Chevy owners think they are smarter, Ford still outsells Chevy.. nothing changes.

I still plan on giving all 3 a shot when I go Truck Hunting in a few years.

[longknife]

All fun aside the duramax/allison combos are awsome powerhouses.
but thats all they have going for them!
  reminds me of my father working on a chebby.

[beau6hunter]

Watch the ford (eco boost) torture test 1 thru 6 on youtube, also watch ford f150 raptor vs halo jumper on youtube. but that eco boost looks like good things to come from truck manufacturers in the near future! hope they make a v8 version it will be nice if the v6 eco boost already outperforms dodge chevy and older model fords!

[mebco09]

Ok, all semantic arguments aside, heres an objective comment:
   The problem that I have with the newer Chevys (other than the bailout thing) is that the extensive use of plastics makes them feel cheesy.  The huge chrome on the sides of the bumpers that is butt ugly is a pretty flimsy piece of metal.  The door lock inserts that have been the same forever have a tendency to fall out (both my 99 and 05 fall out every so often.  It just seems like by 60k miles, all the parts that you use often (radio buttons, door panels, door handles, trim pieces around the windows etc.) are broken on the Chevrolets.  Ford just seems to be sturdier and have better fit and finish. (and about $7500 more...)

[MDGrand]

Ok, all semantic arguments aside, heres an objective comment:
   The problem that I have with the newer Chevys (other than the bailout thing) is that the extensive use of plastics makes them feel cheesy.  The huge chrome on the sides of the bumpers that is butt ugly is a pretty flimsy piece of metal.  The door lock inserts that have been the same forever have a tendency to fall out (both my 99 and 05 fall out every so often.  It just seems like by 60k miles, all the parts that you use often (radio buttons, door panels, door handles, trim pieces around the windows etc.) are broken on the Chevrolets.  Ford just seems to be sturdier and have better fit and finish. (and about $7500 more...)

AGREED

$7500 more though.. they are slightly higher.. but that is what makes car negotiating so fun

[mebco09]

I didn't even price the Chevys when I bought my last truck.  The $7500 came from when I priced my flatbed.  For a stripped Ford XL, Diesel F350, cab and chassis, they wanted in the neighborhood of $34,500.  I think I paid $26,900 for a Chev 3500 Diesel, cab and chassis.  This was in 05, so $7600 more for the Ford.  Seems cheap, given what a loaded truck costs today...

[grandpawrichard]

Like I always tell my Son-in-laws:
" I would rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother that drives a Chevy!"

 

Dick

I was really going to let this go and never comment here again. But this just cracks me up. And boy isn't it the truth. 

Glad you liked it!

I say Drive what you like and don't worry what others think!

I used to be a dedicated Ford Owner, then I bought a Dodge Dakota and put over 200,000 miles on it without a single problem with it. So I bought another Dakota and I plan to have it until I can't drive any more!

Dick

[383man]

Just to be clear, I still haven't heard anybody contest the fact that the Chevy trucks in the test videos, have better braking, faster acceleration, firmer frames, less bumper sag, etc... than the fords? just personal preferance talk really...I love how people say "ford doesn't sell the most trucks every year for no reason", no, there's a reason, same reason mcdonalds sells there cheap food more than anybody else, cheap prices. There is however a reason why Silverado is Motor Trend Truck of the Year! 

Motor Trend ratings lost all credibility with that rating. They rated the Chevy Volt number one too.Of course it had nothing to do with the Obama administration spending billions of our tax dollars bailing them out. The GM auto unions in retrun donated millions of union dues to the Dem party and Obama. GM uses our money to bulid plants in Mexico and China. What a racket!

No thanks

Every GM product I have owned has been unreliable.

Just had a 2010 chevy work truck crap out with less than 15,000 miles. Transmission is shot. Replaced under warranty

All my Toyotas have ran over 200,000 miles with only oil changes and brakes replaced. ZERO problems. All bulit here in the US with non Dem labor

See your confused, you are saying that because our tax dollars went into restructuring GM, the Chevy Volt isn't an amazing vehicle, and shouldn't be motor trend car of the year? I could be wrong, but i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I dought company financing goes into how they choose their winners. and your completely missing the point on the mcdonalds comment, or avoiding it anyways, it's not because they are quality, it's because they're cheap, if you think that mcdonalds makes a quality product, jokes on you. And the fact that you think GM used our money to build plants in mexico and china is cute at best, definately laughable. GM doesn't have factories in china first off, second off, all the parts they build in mexico and send up for assembly have been being built there since way before the bailout, just like ford does, please be informed instead of making up points.

[FC]

Yes, the 350 is different than the 5.7... it has grown and evolved over time.. but the same overall displacement albeit with new cams, injectors, etc.. have evolved..

Ummmm no, semantics has nothing to do with it. The biggest similarities between the current gen GM V8's and the old is that they are both made from metal and they are both internal combustion engines but after they diverge in their design so drastically that nothing from one motor fits the other.

The same overall displacement? Would you prefer a 20 liter? 5-6 liter displacement engines generally hit the hp to mpg sweet spot to work well in half ton trucks and full sized sedans. Next you are going to tell us that the Ford 4.6l is almost the same thing as the GM 4.8l 

[tritt007]

My dads well maintained 96 suburban 350 vortec with a 6" lift on 35's got pulled out of a very small ditch last

 year in the snow  when the ultra crappy push button 4wd crapped out, by a ... well a PORSCHE!!!!!! a

 freakin porsche a porsche cayenne turbo, tottaly lost my respect for chevys that day, i drive a jeep and

 when my jeep breaks i drive a 89 f250, pretty much dont trust chevys, i will however say the 69 4x4 3/4 ton gmc

 in my driveway with a sb 350 will rape most any truck when it is running, the damn thing clears 37's with no

 lift its an animal geared low as heck , but because its a chevy it oubviously doesent run.

[Gringo31]

I didn't want to read all the details of the pissing matches going on in this thread so I thought I'd just throw in some of my own piss 

Anyone who knows me knows I am not the easiest on trucks.  About the only time my truck see asphalt is when I go and get fuel.  I hope to get 20k on a set of tires.  I've had a few trucks in my life from Chevy, Ford, Dodge and even a Nissan Titan.  Bang for buck.....IMHO I've been best served by a Dodge.  Ford would come second, then chevy and the Titan was toast after about 35K miles.  I couldn't tell you about 250K miles on a vehicle, yet I've seen a few of each all make it there.

I will say screw Gov't Motors.  My advice would be the best product for the price is a Dodge.

[MDGrand]

Yes, the 350 is different than the 5.7... it has grown and evolved over time.. but the same overall displacement albeit with new cams, injectors, etc.. have evolved..

Ummmm no, semantics has nothing to do with it. The biggest similarities between the current gen GM V8's and the old is that they are both made from metal and they are both internal combustion engines but after they diverge in their design so drastically that nothing from one motor fits the other.

The same overall displacement? Would you prefer a 20 liter? 5-6 liter displacement engines generally hit the hp to mpg sweet spot to work well in half ton trucks and full sized sedans. Next you are going to tell us that the Ford 4.6l is almost the same thing as the GM 4.8l 

Yes it is semantics. By definition, this all comes down to interpretation and ones word selection to denote the problem.  You use your words, I use mine.

Your understanding of the 350 from the 5.7, 327 to 5.3  is the same as mine.. However what I am refering to is an evolution. It is easy to see how they would take a base power plant and redesign it adding modern technologies resulting in a new overal displacement in the fractions of an inch result and convert it to the new hip metric conversion.  Therefore, I am entiteld to call it the 350 as the evolution denotes it and it just so happens to come out at almost an identical displacement. I already did concede that new engine technology as been implemented in a "redesign" of the same base internal combustion powerplant.

All that being said, I will leave the expertise up to you as you seem to be a ASE mechanic and chief engineer of GM.. Or are you? 

[chongo469]

MDGrand.....Do you realize how ignorant you make yourself sound?........Never mind, Im sure I'm not the first to tell you......