Quality or Bull special permit?

[KNOPHISH]

If you put in for both & draw both can you decline one & keep yer points?

[Alan K]

Nope, lose points in both and can only harvest 1 elk.  You can hunt both of the permit season though, but when you kill, you're done.

[halflife65]

   That's the way I understand it, as well.

[dreamingbig]

Not much of a chance to draw both.  I would put in for both.

[mebco09]

Any math guys compute those odds?

If your odds were 2% for each (?) would it be 2% X2%=.0004, or 1:2500 to draw both?

Help me out here....

[6x6in6]

I have no idea how to compute that.
But I'm thinking that .04% chance of drawing both sounds about right. 

[400out]

I have no idea how to compute that.
But I'm thinking that .04% chance of drawing both sounds about right. 

Actually it's about the opposite! I called it last year if you draw 1 you will draw the other (bull&cow) the wdfw doesn't want you to have the points for the next year to draw again! I did it and I know of many others that had the same thing happen to them  Don't get me wrong the points I had to lose in the hair tag area was worth it to get my bull! 

[Bob33]

Any math guys compute those odds?

If your odds were 2% for each (?) would it be 2% X2%=.0004, or 1:2500 to draw both?

Help me out here....

Exactly right.  If you want to know the odds of all events occurring, multiple the individual odds together.

[KNOPHISH]

I have over 10 points so I'll apply for 1 & points in the other just to give you guys better odds to draw. 

[Ridgerunner]

Does anyone know anyone who drew a "quality" and a "bull" tag last year?

[WenHunter]

I have no idea how to compute that.
But I'm thinking that .04% chance of drawing both sounds about right. 

Actually it's about the opposite! I called it last year if you draw 1 you will draw the other (bull&cow) the wdfw doesn't want you to have the points for the next year to draw again! I did it and I know of many others that had the same thing happen to them  Don't get me wrong the points I had to lose in the hair tag area was worth it to get my bull! 

Yeah i would agree with that. My father got drawn for bull and a cow tag last year, and gave up the cow and took his bull so he was excited. This year I am putting in for both bull tags, but no on the cow permit, just so that doesnt happen to me this year. 

[YoterHunter]

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dont know about the qality or bull . but ran into a few guys last year that drew a cow and bull tag.they wernt the happyist about it .but thats the way it goes. i used my cow points last year .put in fpr bull this year .when drawn will put in for qality tag and hope i get drawn befpr i die.

[coachcw]

Yep knew three who drew quality bull tags !!!! Do you know anyone who drew a good sheep tag ? lol.

[SkookumHntr]

Does anyone know anyone who drew a "quality" and a "bull" tag last year?

-My dad drew Both Quality and Bull. Bethal Rifle Bull tag he had to throw in the Garbage.

[halflife65]

One guy with an archery quality tag - had 2 points I think.  Lucky b@(*$rd.

[dreamingbig]

Bring it on!  I want to have the problem of being drawn for more than one!  I am 0 for 7 on elk.   

[kramer]

Last year my uncle drew both the quality bull and the general bull tag. Then he backed it up with a quilomene sheep tag. Talk about a busy year for him.

[halflife65]

Wow, how did the hunts go?  Did he get a nice sheep?

[bobcat]

If you put in for both & draw both can you decline one & keep yer points?

If I am drawn for more than one permit and decide not to use one of them, can I return my permit and have my points restored?
 No, the only reasons points can be restored are outlined below. If your situation fits the criteria below and you would like to return your permit and have your points restored, contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
 

• You are active duty military personnel and are transferred or otherwise obligated and unable to participate prior to the opening of the special hunt for which you were selected (documentation is required).
• If you, your spouse, immediate family member, or a group member are hospitalized or under the care of a physician making it impossible for you to participate in the hunt (documentation is required).
• Landowners within the hunt boundary did not allow access during the time of the hunt (verification is required).
• When regulations are in conflict and you, through no fault of your own, cannot participate.
• If technical difficulties occur, that are solely the fault of WDFW (as verified by WDFW), and result in your application being excluded from the drawing process.

[kramer]

Yes halflife he did get a good sheep. After the drying period it was 172. He ended up getting a 5x6 off the white river tag he drew.

[BOWHUNTER45]

all yeah that white river tag would be nice !!!!

[unluckyjohn]

How about? The way I understand is that if you put in for quality and cow and you get one you keep your points for the other. True?

[bobcat]

No that is not true. Read what I posted above. It is from the WDFW website.

[unluckyjohn]

I just got off the phone with the wildlife folks, my understanding is true. if you put in for quality and cow and get one you will keep your points for the other.

[Curly]

Of course that is the case; that is the reason why they created the categories.

[buckhorn2]

Thats for sure. I was thinking about gas but when you add up the cost of a hunting and fishing liscense and tags then put in for permits and a raffle ticket and do it for a couple family members hunting is expensive.

[bobcat]

I just got off the phone with the wildlife folks, my understanding is true. if you put in for quality and cow and get one you will keep your points for the other.

Oh yes, you only lose points in the category you were drawn for. Sorry I guess I mis-read your post. I thought you said if you were drawn in both categories. We've been over this about a million times on here.

[sneakyjake]

It's always good to ask, the regs are confusing.

[unluckyjohn]

million and one. Thanks bobcat 

[trophyhunt]

With 16 points there is no way I'm putting in for both, I don't know why people would risk throwing away any points by taking the chance of drawing both. It sucks that some of those tags are going to waste when it takes so long for some of us to draw. I think they should only let you pick one permit catagory in each species, that might make the odds a little better. just my 

[unluckyjohn]

wow 16 points, you must be waiting on "the hunt of a lifetime" I would love to have half that. Maybe with that I could change to luckyjohn. I drew my only cow tag with my first 3 points and ate that tag because of a Muzzle loader problem. After that year (4 years ago) I said never again and have been waiting for the quality bull. I'm 44 now and yet to take my first elk, maybe Ill make it before I cant hunt ever again.

[micdude]

Any math guys compute those odds?

If your odds were 2% for each (?) would it be 2% X2%=.0004, or 1:2500 to draw both?

Help me out here....

Hmmm

  .2x+2(x+.2)=.0004
  .2x+2x+.04=.0004
   .4x+.04=.0004
    .4x=-.036
    x= -900%

Who am I kiding I dont know 

[BOWHUNTER45]

With 16 points there is no way I'm putting in for both, I don't know why people would risk throwing away any points by taking the chance of drawing both. It sucks that some of those tags are going to waste when it takes so long for some of us to draw. I think they should only let you pick one permit catagory in each species, that might make the odds a little better. just my 

       
                   Dude if you have 16 pts I would throw in the freaken towel ... like I  said After a certain number points , it should be an automatic permit rather it be 1 st choice or 2 nd choice ........