Picture Proof - Wolves chasing Elk

[bearpaw]

In many cases logging can take the place of fire which "wastes" our resource. Once an area is logged burning can occur. The end result can be much the same except the big difference is we provide products and jobs by logging rather than just letting it burn. 

I agree it's a good idea to remove a short section of the "new" roads created for logging. No sense wasting money erasing the whole roadway where there is no access to it, it will grow in anyway. Eventually those roads will need used again in future years when logging occurs again, it's cheaper to cut them out than have to completely rebuild them too.

[JimmyHoffa]

For the wolf (and other predator) biomass consumption numbers, in some of the reports the researchers estimate what they kill to actually be higher.  For a few of the studies, they only counted what they could find.  The easiest kills to find were the big (moose/elk/deer) animals, but wolves (and other large predators) kill lots of rabbits, rats, ground birds, etc. to go along with the diet of big animals.

[Special T]

I would agree with 90% of what WaCoyotehunter stated. That said, the Devil is in the Details, and even WaCoyote said  we need better management to accomplish all this. I think we could have wolves and griz and lots of deer/elk but the WDFW  was only doing a mediocre job BEFORE the wolf issue. The WDFW suffers from doing the wrongs things well. I would be satisfied with them doing the right kinds of things mediocre. 

[rasbo]

100 percent on proper management.By the state not the feds.I'm against the killing off of any species,and against the wolves killing off a species.

[Special T]

Anyone notice the differnce in the arguments by Luvtohunt and WaCoyote and short term interlopers? I Do!

[6x6in6]

The study was conducted during late March/early April, when elk are arguably at there most vulnerable.  It would be interesting to see numbers of successful elk kills by wolves in June-August.  I would guess that it's much lower than the 1.4/mth/wolf.  Really it doesn't matter though.  8500 elk isn't  even 10% of the state population so it's not too big of a deal anyway.  Have fun "hunting" those private ranches.  You should bring some of the disabled folk w/ you.  Personally I like road hunters (keeps them outta the woods), but they do put hunters in a bad light.  Oh well. 

While hunting mule deer out of Maupin, Oregon, my brother and I accidentally hiked onto a private ranch. It was awesome.  Saw 8 monster mullies and I shot a decent 4 pointer there.  unfortunately we came back the next day to fill my brother's tag and the land owner was there while my brother was about to shoot a wall hanger buck lol.  He threatened to have us arrested.  Luckily my military ID helped get out of that situation.  Not really hunting though, more paying to shoot.  It was along the Deschutes river with tasty alfalfa fields nearby that the deer could not resist 

March/April........wonder how many were killed unnecessarily for the wolf "thrill of the kill".  It happens ya know......
At the rate Idaho is going, 8500 will be 10% very soon.  It's almost there now.

As far as your Oregon incident.
Call it an accident all you want.  It's your responsibility to know where you are at.  Accident is a lame excuse.  He should have had you and your brother arrested.  You deserved it.  Nice use of your military ID, lucky for you the land owner had a soft spot for your weak use of a trump card.

[BOWHUNTER45]

All my should I ?? O.K I will ...one time I shot a 3 point whitetail on dept. land in Winthrop after I shot it two people coming running at me screaming I shot a doe .. he pulls out his pistol and holds be at gun point .. waiting for a warden to show after he said he called them .. long story short No I DID NOT SHOOT A DOE and after an hour of no warden coming he peels out with his wife .. I load my deer and header home .. its now about 10 pm at night as I come over the pass I see lights flashing everywhere .. I am like well thats for me , a road block ... as they end up waving me by I see the two idiots who turned me in for shooting a doe spread out over the sheriffs hood... What the hell is going on here ? as I get to the next corner there are more lights and this time they pull me over . Two wardens .. they ask me where this doe was and I said tied to the 4 wheeler.. ( they could not see its head ) so they walk to the back of the truck pick up its head and said this is no doe I said no sheet !!! He pulls out his cig and lights it up and says why did they get me out of bed for this sheet ? So now I ask what was up back there ? they said all dont worry they are going to jail because they just shot the machinical DEER WE HAD SET UP .. I said your kidding me and they said john go home and go to sleep . I said wait a minute those dumb ------ are the ones who turned me in for shooting a doe ...they said what ... and after all this happens I FOUND OUT THEY WERE STATIONED ON WHIDBEY ISLAND .... MILITARY WEAPONS AND ALL .. HOW IS THAT ONE ... WANT TO HEAR MORE STORIES LET ME KNOW ..HAHAHAHA

[BOWHUNTER45]

All my should I ?? O.K I will ...one time I shot a 3 point whitetail on dept. land in Winthrop after I shot it two people coming running at me screaming I shot a doe .. he pulls out his pistol and holds be at gun point .. waiting for a warden to show after he said he called them .. long story short No I DID NOT SHOOT A DOE and after an hour of no warden coming he peels out with his wife .. I load my deer and header home .. its now about 10 pm at night as I come over the pass I see lights flashing everywhere .. I am like well thats for me , a road block ... as they end up waving me by I see the two idiots who turned me in for shooting a doe spread out over the sheriffs hood... What the hell is going on here ? as I get to the next corner there are more lights and this time they pull me over . Two wardens .. they ask me where this doe was and I said tied to the 4 wheeler.. ( they could not see its head ) so they walk to the back of the truck pick up its head and said this is no doe I said no sheet !!! He pulls out his cig and lights it up and says why did they get me out of bed for this sheet ? So now I ask what was up back there ? they said all dont worry they are going to jail because they just shot the machinical DEER WE HAD SET UP .. I said your kidding me and they said john go home and go to sleep . I said wait a minute those dumb ------ are the ones who turned me in for shooting a doe ...they said what ... and after all this happens I FOUND OUT THEY WERE STATIONED ON WHIDBEY ISLAND .... MILITARY WEAPONS AND ALL .. HOW IS THAT ONE ... WANT TO HEAR MORE STORIES LET ME KNOW ..HAHAHAHA

  Well heck no one read my story ...... geeeeeez

[Special T]

Nice to be loved huh? 

[bearpaw]

Just bumping this up for anyone who does not seem to know what wolves eat. 

[KFhunter]

I watched a big bull moose yesterday, it was rapidly bellowing steam out its nostrils and staring intently in the woods behind where I couldn't see.  Moose didn't care nothing about me.

I watched a good five minutes hoping to see what had it so riled up, but I didn't.

[Smossy]

After reading "some" of this thread and some of the arguments people have made. I think controlled hunts should be a good answer. Not pure elimination but maybe 1 wolf per person per year,  or at-least special draws. I don't think the populations are thick enough to really do 1 per person per year,  but maybe 10-20 tags issued out yearly to help keep the numbers in check.
You get my drift.

[syoungs]

good bump, just read through the whole thing.

[bearpaw]

After originally posting this topic, I was later told these photos were from the St Joe.

[bowhunterwa87]

Was an entertaining read for sure