No, I'd have to agree with you. I ussually left the Bulls alone, relocating them to the other corner of the yard or something. We'd usually see about three or four of them a year. This year...holy cow, and they are hammering my bird business. Roseann and the kids showed up and here I was on my belly trying to get a close up of this *censored* without getting bit, and she about had a heart attack. She is in the same league as your wife Pope. In fact, we had guineas for awhile after she found out what they did to snakes.