Sabotloader, tell me about elk bullets.

[THunt]

Sabotloader

If you had to choose one bullet and load for deer and elk using a knight disc extreme 50 cal what would it be?

Thanks

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader

If you had to choose one bullet and load for deer and elk using a knight disc extreme 50 cal what would it be?

Thanks

Ah shoot!!! that really is kinda hard cuz I like to shoot so much stuff.... but if forced to make that choice I think it would really be easy for me to settle on a .458-275 grain Lehigh/Bloodline in the factory sabot, pushed out of the barrel with 120grains of T7.  Fr years I hunted deer with a Nosler .451-260 grain partition, well the 275 gr. is even a better bullet and I really would not have a problem shooting an elk with that same bullet, although I do prefer just that much more energy from a 300 grain bloodline, but when you get down to it there really is not that much difference especially in the ranges you might be shooting with open sights.

This is the 300 grain the 275 is just a bit shorter and a bit faster...

 

I have made the statement several times the 275 is the ultimate all-around bullet for me...

Here is a ballistic sheet...



And I even found a comparison that I had made up...

[bobcat]

Sabotloader,

Do you think that 275 grain bullet would shoot ok out of a 1 in 48 twist barrel?

I'm thinking maybe it would since it's relatively short.   

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader,

Do you think that 275 grain bullet would shoot ok out of a 1 in 48 twist barrel?

I'm thinking maybe it would since it's relatively short.   

It seems like a tried from one of my Rengades and it did not work to well... think the 1-48 is just to slow.  I have shot 300 grain Hornady's and Noslers very successfully from a 1-48 but you got to push them out pretty hard.

[Pathfinder101]

OK, so I have a question: 
I just bought my 13 year old a Winchester .50 cal (used).  He's not a big kid (85 lbs), and I don't want the gun to kick the crap out of him (I will replace the buttpad with a limbsaver).  He shoots a lot (his .308, my .270 and my 7mm), but has never shot muzzy, so we're gonna spend the summer getting proficient.
I know a lot of guys don't like the Pyrodex Pellets, but I was thinking about having him shoot them because they will be easier for him to handle (no measuring), load (no spilling), and I have heard that the consistancy is good.
So here are my questions:

1.  What do you think of the Pyrodex Pellets.  Is this a good choice?
2.  What bullet would you suggest (we are going to hunt elk-east side)?
3.  What powder load/charge would you suggest?
4.  Any other suggestions/tips/hints for "youth" muzzle loading?

[Sabotloader]

OK, so I have a question: 
I just bought my 13 year old a Winchester .50 cal (used).  He's not a big kid (85 lbs), and I don't want the gun to kick the crap out of him (I will replace the buttpad with a limbsaver).  He shoots a lot (his .308, my .270 and my 7mm), but has never shot muzzy, so we're gonna spend the summer getting proficient.
I know a lot of guys don't like the Pyrodex Pellets, but I was thinking about having him shoot them because they will be easier for him to handle (no measuring), load (no spilling), and I have heard that the consistancy is good.
So here are my questions:

1.  What do you think of the Pyrodex Pellets.  Is this a good choice?

I am not a pellet fan period... but a lot of people use them just for the reasons you stated.

2.  What bullet would you suggest (we are going to hunt elk-east side)?

Know that the heavier the bullet the more felt recoil, but... I would suggest a 300 grain Speer Deep Curl with the sabot that fits your bore.  If you were to use a 100 grains of pellet powder and keep the range of the shot down to the 100 yard area - with good shot placement everything should go as planned.

3.  What powder load/charge would you suggest?

Myself I would suggest a minimum of 100 grains of powder for elk - but I would use loose powder and I would use a .458-275 grain Bloodline bullet in a .458 sabot - still keeping the range in the 100 yard area.  I would also suggest a #11 magnum cap with the capper to mount the cap on the nipple post.  I tried musket caps at first because everyone said the were hotter, which is not the case with a #11 magnum caps and with a #11 capper they are more easy to use than musket caps.

4.  Any other suggestions/tips/hints for "youth" muzzle loading?

If he has been shooting a 308 I am not sure that he will notice a whole of difference in shooting a ML.  The recoil is a little sharper and faster but not all that much differnent... When he is shooting the ML for target practice use ear plugs... the blas has more effect than the recoil.

Just sharing some thoughts....

[Pathfinder101]

OK, so I have a question: 
I just bought my 13 year old a Winchester .50 cal (used).  He's not a big kid (85 lbs), and I don't want the gun to kick the crap out of him (I will replace the buttpad with a limbsaver).  He shoots a lot (his .308, my .270 and my 7mm), but has never shot muzzy, so we're gonna spend the summer getting proficient.
I know a lot of guys don't like the Pyrodex Pellets, but I was thinking about having him shoot them because they will be easier for him to handle (no measuring), load (no spilling), and I have heard that the consistancy is good.
So here are my questions:

1.  What do you think of the Pyrodex Pellets.  Is this a good choice?

I am not a pellet fan period... but a lot of people use them just for the reasons you stated.

2.  What bullet would you suggest (we are going to hunt elk-east side)?

Know that the heavier the bullet the more felt recoil, but... I would suggest a 300 grain Speer Deep Curl with the sabot that fits your bore.  If you were to use a 100 grains of pellet powder and keep the range of the shot down to the 100 yard area - with good shot placement everything should go as planned.

3.  What powder load/charge would you suggest?

Myself I would suggest a minimum of 100 grains of powder for elk - but I would use loose powder and I would use a .458-275 grain Bloodline bullet in a .458 sabot - still keeping the range in the 100 yard area.

Just sharing some thoughts...


4.  Any other suggestions/tips/hints for "youth" muzzle loading?

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Thanks sabotloader.  Does the pyrodex make that much difference?  I see the balistics on the 300 gr speer with 110 grains of 777 only drops 7 inches at 200 yards.

[Sabotloader]

OK, so I have a question: 
I just bought my 13 year old a Winchester .50 cal (used).  He's not a big kid (85 lbs), and I don't want the gun to kick the crap out of him (I will replace the buttpad with a limbsaver).  He shoots a lot (his .308, my .270 and my 7mm), but has never shot muzzy, so we're gonna spend the summer getting proficient.
I know a lot of guys don't like the Pyrodex Pellets, but I was thinking about having him shoot them because they will be easier for him to handle (no measuring), load (no spilling), and I have heard that the consistancy is good.
So here are my questions:

1.  What do you think of the Pyrodex Pellets.  Is this a good choice?

I am not a pellet fan period... but a lot of people use them just for the reasons you stated.

2.  What bullet would you suggest (we are going to hunt elk-east side)?

Know that the heavier the bullet the more felt recoil, but... I would suggest a 300 grain Speer Deep Curl with the sabot that fits your bore.  If you were to use a 100 grains of pellet powder and keep the range of the shot down to the 100 yard area - with good shot placement everything should go as planned.

3.  What powder load/charge would you suggest?

Myself I would suggest a minimum of 100 grains of powder for elk - but I would use loose powder and I would use a .458-275 grain Bloodline bullet in a .458 sabot - still keeping the range in the 100 yard area.

Just sharing some thoughts...


4.  Any other suggestions/tips/hints for "youth" muzzle loading?

Thanks sabotloader.  Does the pyrodex make that much difference?  I see the balistics on the 300 gr speer with 110 grains of 777 only drops 7 inches at 200 yards.

Just remember that pellets, weather they be Pyro or T7 are rated to burn just like regular black powder.  T7 loose powder is close to 15% stronger than pellets or black powder (Swiss being the exception).  So in effect with T7 loose you are shooting 115 grains of black powder or pellets - that does make a difference...

I am shooting 120 grains of T7 loose and actually in a percsussion gun I am shooting 110 grains of T7-3f which is an additional 10% stranger than T7-2f, but with that I also know that I am good for even a bull at 200 yards - provided I do my part in shot location.

Where are you at in washington? I get to the Kennewick area a lot...

[Pathfinder101]

I am in Walla Walla.