Boycott Cabela's, they are in bed with the tribes in Tulalip !!!!

[pianoman9701]

Its really irritating to see how divided hunters get on the native issue. We would have a whole lot more collective bargaining against the wdfw if hunters didnt piss all over the natives for everything and instead worked with the natives

Yep, all of us hunters need to stand together, Native or not. It adds tens of thousands to our numbers to do so.

[The100Road]

Pionoman9701, I agree that Indians are just taking advantage of the laws they are givin. I would do the same thing. But are you saying that if the government decided to take away the tribes hunting laws to make everone equal you would be okay with it? I dont think so. Indains think they deserve more than me even though we are supposed to be equal.

[The100Road]

I think Hunters would stand together if we all had the SAME RULES!!

[Huntnphish]

I don't have any problem with Native people in WA. I'm not sure where you're coming from but I disagree. I'll still shop at Cabela's and on my way to BC, will stop at the Tulalip store on every trip.

There are a lot of Native Washingtonians/Americans who post in here. It's my opinion that anti-Indian posts are no different than anti-Mexican, Asian, or black posts. They're doing only what was agreed to between them and the government under treaty provisions. If you have a problem with the things Natives do, maybe you're angry at the wrong people. It's our government who drew up and ratified the treaties, not the Natives.

+1

[pianoman9701]

Pionoman9701, I agree that Indians are just taking advantage of the laws they are givin. I would do the same thing. But are you saying that if the government decided to take away the tribes hunting laws to make everone equal you would be okay with it? I dont think so. Indains think they deserve more than me even though we are supposed to be equal.

If the US government took away rights granted under ratified treaties, I'm not sure I would mind, but I wouldn't expect the Natives to sit still and shut up about it.

Indians get only what is in their treaties and within the rights agreed upon within those treaties. The treaties were drawn up based on concessions the Indians made to do with land and water rights when we moved in. We told them that in return for limiting the amount of land they lived on and for the control of the water that moves through their land, we would give them certain privileges. Hunting and fishing privileges were included. That's the deal. Our government made it to give you and me land to live on.

Let's say that your neighbor has a stream running through his property. The water comes onto your land and you use it constantly for irrigation. He decides he wants a swimming hole and he dams it up, leaving you dry. You go to your neighbor and tell him that if he releases the water, you'll allow him to hunt on your property forever. A few years later, you decide that he's killing too much game on your property and you want him to stop, but you want the water to keep flowing. What do you think his response is going to be? It's going to be "BS pal". You made an agreement and you're going to have to abide by it. That's the way it is. You don't like it? Go to your federal government and tell them they made a mistake and they should rescind the treaty. It's their agreement and our Congress ratified it. You and I have to live with it. Don't blame the Indians.

[Armadillo]

I think Hunters would stand together if we all had the SAME RULES!!

I think you're right, hunters wouldnt be jealous of the longer seasons if the natives were forced to hunt when we do... BUT I believe hunters misunderstand why we have different rules and the finger always gets pointed at the natives being the culprit. This is not right

[dscubame]

I don't have any problem with Native people in WA. I'm not sure where you're coming from but I disagree. I'll still shop at Cabela's and on my way to BC, will stop at the Tulalip store on every trip.

There are a lot of Native Washingtonians/Americans who post in here. It's my opinion that anti-Indian posts are no different than anti-Mexican, Asian, or black posts. They're doing only what was agreed to between them and the government under treaty provisions. If you have a problem with the things Natives do, maybe you're angry at the wrong people. It's our government who drew up and ratified the treaties, not the Natives.

+1

+2 and I will not particiapte in this racism!  Life is not fair and everyone is not treated equal nor would I ever wish so.  It takes a big mind to understand this.

[Armadillo]

Pionoman9701, I agree that Indians are just taking advantage of the laws they are givin. I would do the same thing. But are you saying that if the government decided to take away the tribes hunting laws to make everone equal you would be okay with it? I dont think so. Indains think they deserve more than me even though we are supposed to be equal.

Let's say that your neighbor has a stream running through his property. The water comes onto your land and you use it constantly for irrigation. He decides he wants a swimming hole and he dams it up, leaving you dry. You go to your neighbor and tell him that if he releases the water, you'll allow him to hunt on your property forever. A few years later, you decide that he's killing too much game on your property and you want him to stop, but you want the water to keep flowing. What do you think his response is going to be? It's going to be "BS pal". You made an agreement and you're going to have to abide by it. That's the way it is. You don't like it? Go to your federal government and tell them they made a mistake and they should rescind the treaty. It's their agreement and our Congress ratified it. You and I have to live with it. Don't blame the Indians.

This is a perfect example of why the indians are not to blame

[Alan K]

+2 and I will not particiapte in this racism!  Life is not fair and everyone is not treated equal nor would I wever wish so.  It takes a big mind to understand this.

 


I remember in one of my business classes at UI one of the professors talking about how open ended contracts in which the terms and conditions of it are no longer valid or later used for far from the original intentions can have a term date set after the fact on which it can be made void or amended through some sort of arbitration.  I know a treaty may be treated differently than a contract, but if this were the case it should definitely be amended.  There is no way the ancestors of both sides today knew where society and technology would be today and wrote the treaties to apply to today's world.

[dscubame]

+2 and I will not particiapte in this racism!  Life is not fair and everyone is not treated equal nor would I wever wish so.  It takes a big mind to understand this.

 


I remember in one of my business classes at UI one of the professors talking about how open ended contracts in which the terms and conditions of it are no longer valid or later used for far from the original intentions can have a term date set after the fact on which it can be made void or amended through some sort of arbitration.  I know a treaty may be treated differently than a contract, but if this were the case it should definitely be amended.  There is no way the ancestors of both sides today knew where society and technology would be today and wrote the treaties to apply to today's world.

I cannot agree more.  The treaties today do not work and are causing a great deal of harm.  I am not confusing that at all.  But I do not look at it like, well they can and I cannot, that is the way a child perceives things.

[The100Road]

I agree if this all happened to one generation. but this happened years and years and years ago. which has nothing to do with you or me. You are not any better than i am and i am not any better than you. I would understand that "my neighbor" example you gave if the neighbors were the same people as today. but Indians are benifitting from something no Indian is even alive to remember. And i am being descriminated against for something that i had nothing to do with.

[Armadillo]

"I know a treaty may be treated differently than a contract, but if this were the case it should definitely be amended.  There is no way the ancestors of both sides today knew where society and technology would be today and wrote the treaties to apply to today's world"



you do have a good point. The forefathers wrote the consistution and bill of rights using vague language too be amended as society changes.

If the majority of society knew what we as hunters know about the violations that a few native individuals commit, maybe there would be amendments made. There has to be more accountability on the native's behalf as to game managment infractions but I dont see anything happending until there is a real scientific study that proves the natives are to blame for anything,, I dont believe they are

[Armadillo]

I agree if this all happened to one generation. but this happened years and years and years ago. which has nothing to do with you or me. You are not any better than i am and i am not any better than you. I would understand that "my neighbor" example you gave if the neighbors were the same people as today. but Indians are benifitting from something no Indian is even alive to remember. And i am being descriminated against for something that i had nothing to do with.

Of course it had nothing to do with us at the time, but we still have to abide by what our government does until an overwhelming majority of people change it.. That being said, when they wrote the treaties the INTENTIONS had everything to do with us

[The100Road]

NOt all are as open minded as you Armadillo.

[The100Road]

The Intentions did have to do with us. But they did not predict the future correctly.