Boycott Cabela's, they are in bed with the tribes in Tulalip !!!!

[pianoman9701]

Lets blame our own state government for making a piss poor deal. Other states have figured it out. If the state came to you and offered you hunting or fishing rights would you turn it down? Why blame the natives for it?  There are poachers of every race and color. Poaching is poaching and it isn't good no matter who does it. Lets focus our angst where it belongs, on the state. The syphoning of money out of the WDFW into the general fund is far more damaging than anything the tribes are doing. 

I agree totally and it's a point that falls on deaf ears. The only thing I would disagree with is that these treaties are mainly federal and ratified by Congress. I'm not sure the state has a lot of options here.

[singleshot12]

If the state came to you and offered you hunting or fishing rights would you turn it down? Why blame the natives for it? 

No, but if I was a native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I would make sure the laws of the land were enforced with the tribe. Any selling or wasting of wild game would have severe penalties.

I guess it's the hypocritical Indian that gets under my skin and blame the most.

[PlateauNDN]

If the state came to you and offered you hunting or fishing rights would you turn it down? Why blame the natives for it? 

No, but if I was a native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I would make sure the laws of the land were enforced with the tribe. Any selling or wasting of wild game would have severe penalties.

I guess it's the hypocritical Indian that gets under my skin and blame the most.

A lot of very good comments and replies.  I wish I had seen this topic sooner but, since I'm stuck in an airport in indianapolis coming back from a business trip I'll offer what info. I can while I wait for my delayed flight.  As I have stated before I'm not here to bash, name call or threaten anybody so please be civil and do the same.  I first looked at this and thought it was targeting cabelas and as I sat here reading post after post I realized this was not directed at cabelas it was just a mask covering its true intent.  I believe the issue should probably have its own category?  I.e. Native Issues?  And somebody with an open and unbiased mind can moderate it.  That way we can keep topics on course and uninterrupted.  I've debated the issues regarding everything that has been said and I can do it again but remember if you're trying to do anything uncivil then don't bother asking.  I have offered assistance with topics related to Tribes and I've gotten some good questions and its obvious if there was a permanent discussion thread like those listed near the top of the "general discussion" there can be questions and answers provided.  Thank you Pianoman for your post the story you used sounded very familiar. 

I'm making a firm request to the moderators/site managers to create the permanent thread and I would like to put my name in the hat as one of the persons selected to be a point of contact for and questions.  I believe this would free up a lot of space for more interesting topics hunting related.

[Huntnphish]

No, but if I was a native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I would make sure the laws of the land were enforced with the tribe. Any selling or wasting of wild game would have severe penalties.

I guess it's the hypocritical Indian that gets under my skin and blame the most.

 If I was a Native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I wouldn't change a thing, why would I?

 Have you not been following the 'Wolf" thread? Have you not been following whats going on in our country? There are few people left that have any faith at all in our government, Native Americans are no different. Why would they trust ANYTHING our government says, they have already been duped once and its painfully obvious that our government is proficient at lying to our faces while stabbing us in the back.

 I don't condone the waist of fish and game, nor do I agree with the tribal hunting practices but if we are honest here, you wouldn't give up those rights either if you had them.

[singleshot12]

But to exercise those "treaty rights" to the extent of it being out of charactor with their ancient traditional beliefs is just plain wrong and hypocritical. Claiming to follow the spiritual ways but not practice them??  They should know the treaty should be changed or eliminated for their own good and everyone's good so we can all finally come together and work on equal rights and realistic wildlife management for many generations to come. That's what I'm talking about here..
And No I haven't been following the Wolf thread
 

[pianoman9701]

If the state came to you and offered you hunting or fishing rights would you turn it down? Why blame the natives for it? 

No, but if I was a native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I would make sure the laws of the land were enforced with the tribe. Any selling or wasting of wild game would have severe penalties.

I guess it's the hypocritical Indian that gets under my skin and blame the most.

A lot of very good comments and replies.  I wish I had seen this topic sooner but, since I'm stuck in an airport in indianapolis coming back from a business trip I'll offer what info. I can while I wait for my delayed flight.  As I have stated before I'm not here to bash, name call or threaten anybody so please be civil and do the same.  I first looked at this and thought it was targeting cabelas and as I sat here reading post after post I realized this was not directed at cabelas it was just a mask covering its true intent.  I believe the issue should probably have its own category?  I.e. Native Issues?  And somebody with an open and unbiased mind can moderate it.  That way we can keep topics on course and uninterrupted.  I've debated the issues regarding everything that has been said and I can do it again but remember if you're trying to do anything uncivil then don't bother asking.  I have offered assistance with topics related to Tribes and I've gotten some good questions and its obvious if there was a permanent discussion thread like those listed near the top of the "general discussion" there can be questions and answers provided.  Thank you Pianoman for your post the story you used sounded very familiar. 

I'm making a firm request to the moderators/site managers to create the permanent thread and I would like to put my name in the hat as one of the persons selected to be a point of contact for and questions.  I believe this would free up a lot of space for more interesting topics hunting related.

I think this is a great idea. There are many misunderstandings that exist through lack of accurate information that could be dispelled. You've got my vote.

[gigharborguyjerry]

Nothing will change if we continue to give the tribes and business that deal with them our money. When they start to suffer they will go back to the state to make a new compact. Until such time the tribes will get more powerful and buy more democrats in Olympia.

Yes, this is Judge Bolt's fault and the fact that the Gov. took money from the tribes so they don't have to pay tax is also wrong. They will not every make a new compact as long as they make billions from US!!!

Boycott the tribes, their businesses and those that deal with them.

[pianoman9701]

I like 'em. I'll be stopping in Tulalip on my way up to Vancouver each time.

[Buckmark]

Boycott the tribes, their businesses and those that deal with them.

So are you saying boycott the actual business that is on tribal land, or buycott any business that does business on tribal land regardless of the location.
ie: you would be ok with going to the lacey cabelas, but not the tulalip cabelas, or your gonna boycott all cabelas and the online department also?

[NWBREW]

Boycott the tribes, their businesses and those that deal with them.

So are you saying boycott the actual business that is on tribal land, or buycott any business that does business on tribal land regardless of the location.
ie: you would be ok with going to the lacey cabelas, but not the tulalip cabelas, or your gonna boycott all cabelas and the online department also?

Exactly what I was thinking Buckmark. If your going to boycott Cabelas because they made a deal to work on Res land would you also Boycott Levis, Mcdonalds, all the companys at the outlet mall? I do not go to that mall myself but it is only because of the crowds. I mean seriously,  look around if your going to start boycotting, they are not the only company that deals with the tribes. Heck, my 17 year old daughter works over at the mall. I will go to Cabelas and probably buy a few things as well. I know at times a person can get a good deal.

[pianoman9701]

Boycott the tribes, their businesses and those that deal with them.

So are you saying boycott the actual business that is on tribal land, or buycott any business that does business on tribal land regardless of the location.
ie: you would be ok with going to the lacey cabelas, but not the tulalip cabelas, or your gonna boycott all cabelas and the online department also?

Exactly what I was thinking Buckmark. If your going to boycott Cabelas because they made a deal to work on Res land would you also Boycott Levis, Mcdonalds, all the companys at the outlet mall? I do not go to that mall myself but it is only because of the crowds. I mean seriously,  look around if your going to start boycotting, they are not the only company that deals with the tribes. Heck, my 17 year old daughter works over at the mall. I will go to Cabelas and probably buy a few things as well. I know at times a person can get a good deal.

Who do you think you're going to hurt with a boycott here, Gig? The tribes hire non-tribal locals in their businesses. They attract tourists from all over and from our neighbor to the north, who bring with them money to spend in hotels, restaurants, gas stations, mini-marts, and scores of other non-tribe businesses. Boycott the tribes and the non-tribal people will get hit first. I guarantee the tribes aren't going to suffer. Even without considering all of the Native people who belong to this site, I would encourage you to reconsider your continued anti-Native rhetoric. If you want to pick an entire group of people to get mad at, that's what the stupid news channel website forums are for; people with a chip on their shoulder.

[Hank]

If the state came to you and offered you hunting or fishing rights would you turn it down? Why blame the natives for it? 

No, but if I was a native American leader and proclaimed to be a steward of mother earth I would make sure the laws of the land were enforced with the tribe. Any selling or wasting of wild game would have severe penalties.

I guess it's the hypocritical Indian that gets under my skin and blame the most.

A lot of very good comments and replies.  I wish I had seen this topic sooner but, since I'm stuck in an airport in indianapolis coming back from a business trip I'll offer what info. I can while I wait for my delayed flight.  As I have stated before I'm not here to bash, name call or threaten anybody so please be civil and do the same.  I first looked at this and thought it was targeting cabelas and as I sat here reading post after post I realized this was not directed at cabelas it was just a mask covering its true intent.  I believe the issue should probably have its own category?  I.e. Native Issues?  And somebody with an open and unbiased mind can moderate it.  That way we can keep topics on course and uninterrupted.  I've debated the issues regarding everything that has been said and I can do it again but remember if you're trying to do anything uncivil then don't bother asking.  I have offered assistance with topics related to Tribes and I've gotten some good questions and its obvious if there was a permanent discussion thread like those listed near the top of the "general discussion" there can be questions and answers provided.  Thank you Pianoman for your post the story you used sounded very familiar. 

I'm making a firm request to the moderators/site managers to create the permanent thread and I would like to put my name in the hat as one of the persons selected to be a point of contact for and questions.  I believe this would free up a lot of space for more interesting topics hunting related.

PlateauNDN,

I really hope the mods take note of your post and consider this. I haven't taken a stance on the issue of native hunting and fishing rights simply because I haven't heard both sides of the issue. With this forum being sponsored by Washington for Wildlife I would think they would jump at the idea of having a place where these issues could be discussed in an unbiased and intelligent way.

[PA BEN]

So, do you think if the Government takes away our gun rights the Natives will be able to keep there guns to hunt with?

[NWBREW]

So, do you think if the Government takes away our gun rights the Natives will be able to keep there guns to hunt with?

  I do think there is a lot of gun owners that wouldn't let that happen.

[Jack Diamond]

Ya just gotta know, If it was legal for me to do something that everyone else could not do ,then by god I will still do it, get over it folks,and really you all need to get over the "tribal thing" possibly spend more time on " Illegal alien actions " these are truly something that could be changed, not something that was enacted by a treaty document 100+ years old and still a legal binding contract. Bash Welfare ,complain about something you can CHANGE , but get a life. Jeeezze