twisp rancher in trouble for killin 3 wolves !!!!!!

[Machias]

these obviously-guilty criminals

I guess you've never watched crime shows or read in the paper about obviusly guilty people being found innocent or folks that have sat in jail for years being released after these obviously guilty criminals were found to be innocent.  I'm not sticking up for his actions.  If he is found guilty he should and will be made to pay.  But just because the PAPER says it's so or the Government says it's so does not make it so.  Are you so impatient you can't give them due process?  Hopefully Skillet you'll never have the occasion to be falsely accused of a crime.

[JackOfAllTrades]

How about we let the legal system work before we call them serial poachers.  They have not been convicted of anything.

I'm all for the legal system.  But you would have to admit that this guys in a tough spot.  You don't get 'cases pending' against you, unless there's reasonable cause. Most honest hunters that make a mistake, pay the fine and move on. There are the few that make a mistake yet still fight the charges, but you Don't see them in court with 'multiple pending cases'.  The guilty usually fight, and often have more than one battle to defend themselves for.  -Even if he and his accomplices/associates/family members made a mistake by not declaring an imported deer, even being brought up on charges for other crimes and assume he is still innocent is tough for me to swallow. The legal system is good and will usually catch the habitual offender. I don't know if serial is the right word, but he's setting a trend over the years. I wonder what he's done and not been caught at yet.

I'll keep an open mind, but I'm bettin they'll convict him/them of something.  This does nothing good for the hunter's image to the bunny huggers.

Don't get me wrong... I love the fact that someone is assisting with Wolf population control! 

-Steve

[BOWHUNTER45]

hey when I said leave a comment  IT was ment not to defend this guy but to explain what you think on how we should deal with the wolf issues ... basically saying we are not saying lets not have wolves but make sure we conytrol the populations by hunting and the sale of tags ... something in that form ...allot of peole read these things so it makes good sense to state your case but in a professional way ....

[Machias]

I'm not saying they are not in a tight spot or that they will eventually be convicted.  I'm just saying can't we at least wait until they are convicted to hang them.  Some guys on this site sit up on a pretty high horse, but then condone other illegal game violations or welcome known poachers on this site and treat them with respect and kindness.  Some folks really should step down off their high horses.

[BOWHUNTER45]

these obviously-guilty criminals

I guess you've never watched crime shows or read in the paper about obviusly guilty people being found innocent or folks that have sat in jail for years being released after these obviously guilty criminals were found to be innocent.  I'm not sticking up for his actions.  If he is found guilty he should and will be made to pay.  But just because the PAPER says it's so or the Government says it's so does not make it so.  Are you so impatient you can't give them due process?  Hopefully Skillet you'll never have the occasion to be falsely accused of a crime.

yeah like me last year when I got my cougar .. it was not hi john nice cat it was o.k tell us now where you killed it and we know you used hounds and on and on ...never poached *censored* in my life and they were convinced I used hounds .. so this goes to show you their are a few whack job wardens out their ...and no they could not prove *censored* but just the rumors pissed me off !!!!!

[pianoman9701]

I'm not saying they are not in a tight spot or that they will eventually be convicted.  I'm just saying can't we at least wait until they are convicted to hang them.  Some guys on this site sit up on a pretty high horse, but then condone other illegal game violations or welcome known poachers on this site and treat them with respect and kindness.  Some folks really should step down off their high horses.

I agree. This man hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. As far as others on this site are concerned, either you condone illegal activity or you don't. If he's guilty, I hope they throw the book at him. If the charges are true, people like this are those who make all of us hunters look bad in the public light.

[Machias]

I'm not saying they are not in a tight spot or that they will eventually be convicted.  I'm just saying can't we at least wait until they are convicted to hang them.  Some guys on this site sit up on a pretty high horse, but then condone other illegal game violations or welcome known poachers on this site and treat them with respect and kindness.  Some folks really should step down off their high horses.

I agree. This man hasn't been proven guilty in a court of law. As far as others on this site are concerned, either you condone illegal activity or you don't. If he's guilty, I hope they throw the book at him. If the charges are true, people like this are those who make all of us hunters look bad in the public light.

 

[jackmaster]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

[Wenatcheejay]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

What he did does not make lawful hunters look bad any more than a person who murders with a gun makes all gun owners look bad.

[WAcoyotehunter]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

+1...imagine my dismay when there was a group (on huntWA) that was trying to get a defense fund set up...    

[pianoman9701]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

What he did does not make lawful hunters look bad any more than a person who murders with a gun makes all gun owners look bad.

Maybe not to you and other hunters, but to the non-hunter (who represents 93% of the voting public), who's not familiar with good hunters and their ethics, this makes all of us look like unethical, criminal killers. Incidents like this will make those non-hunters more susceptible to the misinformation and anti-hunting rhetoric of the wackos who would take away our hunting and guns. Don't stand for it, don't condone it, and be vocal about speaking out against it. And that's my 

[trophyhunt]

Kind of a thought here and it may have been mentioned in other threads. I think one of the worst things that can happen if you are on either side, pro/anti, of the wolf debate is poaching. It does no good for the sportsman since it shows complete disgregard for game laws and restrictions. I would guess that for every poached wolf the state could have made a case for X number of tags available for the general public. What else is bad is that for every wolf poached you give the antis a ton more of media coverage showing that sporstman are the bad guys.

Does that make sense or am I way off base?

If it gets to the point where they are selling tags for wolves here in Wa, then what the heck do you think the deer and elk populations are gonna be at?  We need to make sure the population doesn't get high enough for tags, once again I'll say- look at Idaho, Montana and Wyoming and ask yourself do you want to be in the same boat as them??  What the hell is it gonna take to convice some of you guys that wolves are not good for our state??? If you want to hunt them, go across the boarder up north are go cheap and head to Idaho.  I don't see any room for the killing machines. And call me what you want, I believe in SSS all the way but you'll never see me poach any other game animal.

[wsucowboy]

He did not follow the SSS rules.

[Wenatcheejay]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

What he did does not make lawful hunters look bad any more than a person who murders with a gun makes all gun owners look bad.

Maybe not to you and other hunters, but to the non-hunter (who represents 93% of the voting public), who's not familiar with good hunters and their ethics, this makes all of us look like unethical, criminal killers. Incidents like this will make those non-hunters more susceptible to the misinformation and anti-hunting rhetoric of the wackos who would take away our hunting and guns. Don't stand for it, don't condone it, and be vocal about speaking out against it. And that's my 

I don't disagree with you. But their perceptions are preconceived. That they feel that way does not make it so. It is important that we never let them make poachers out to be hunters. For the same reason Gun Owners are not murderers.

What some people are saying, (and I am in this camp) is that we are Hunters. We embrace our rights and the Constitution of this Country. We don't stop defending it after the 1st Amendment is read. (We don't deface that Amendment either.) We are saying like the 2nd we should allow this guy the 5th. He will get that. If we are willing to throw each other under the bus to appease our enemies for fear of what they will think, reset assured they already hate you and want to see you stripped of everything they oppose. I'd not stand with them but at the same time saying that any criminal is afforded due process before conviction is not advocating for lawlessness.

[BOWHUNTER45]

i admit i was one who would have defended this clown for protecting his cattle but as the thread went on more info came out and i changed my tune, it turns out this guy is everything we as ethical hunters and we try to do it the right way, stand against, this dipstick, *censored* makes all hunters look bad, i hope IF he is found guilty that they throw his butt in prison and throw away the key, i dont condone anything this *censored* stands for

What he did does not make lawful hunters look bad any more than a person who murders with a gun makes all gun owners look bad.

Maybe not to you and other hunters, but to the non-hunter (who represents 93% of the voting public), who's not familiar with good hunters and their ethics, this makes all of us look like unethical, criminal killers. Incidents like this will make those non-hunters more susceptible to the misinformation and anti-hunting rhetoric of the wackos who would take away our hunting and guns. Don't stand for it, don't condone it, and be vocal about speaking out against it. And that's my 

I don't disagree with you. But their perceptions are preconceived. That they feel that way does not make it so. It is important that we never let them make poachers out to be hunters. For the same reason Gun Owners are not murderers.

What some people are saying, (and I am in this camp) is that we are Hunters. We embrace our rights and the Constitution of this Country. We don't stop defending it after the 1st Amendment is read. (We don't deface that Amendment either.) We are saying like the 2nd we should allow this guy the 5th. He will get that. If we are willing to throw each other under the bus to appease our enemies for fear of what they will think, reset assured they already hate you and want to see you stripped of everything they oppose. I'd not stand with them but at the same time saying that any criminal is afforded due process before conviction is not advocating for lawlessness.

ya I kinda stand with you on this ... let the law decide on it ... we all joke about killing the wolves but this guy actually ( MAY) have done it ... I would not want to be in his shoes ...