Dangerous Precedent- DNR Gives Gate Keys To Tribes for Bear Hunting, What's Next

[sebek556]

 

[bucklucky]

That should open the doors up for us also IMO.

[Alan K]

Idaho keeps calling my name. . .


What ever happened to the 'in common with' part of that treaty?

[sebek556]

hmm montana idaho or alaska where should I move hmm..

[True Sportsman]

I dont really know If everybody should be freaking out yet.

I worked for a timber company and the company could get bear damage permits for areas where bears peeled trees. The company would then contact guys with hounds to come in, track down bears, and kill them. The company would issue gate keys to the hound hunters. There were a bunch of requirements that had to be met, for instance a bear had to be killed within a certain distance to the damage.

The DNR is state land, I know. I dont know the laws or precedent that the DNR has to follow regarding bear damage permits on DNR land.

It could be that the DNR has bear damage on its land, and they are getting damage permits, and the Muckleshoots are killing bears on those permits. And yes, they would need gate keys to access the area. If the DNR cannot issue damage permits on state land, and they are using the Muckleshoots through a loophole in the system, that is another story.

This might not be the huge deal everyone is making it out to be.

[stw]

Dnr went to game department and game department Didnt do anything so thay gave the key to the tribes so its are good game department thats doing it to all of us hunters not Dnr

[saylean]

It will be interesting to see the response to Ruth's email.

[bearpaw]

It sounds to me that since the WDFW hasn't reduced bear damage that the DNR is bypassing state management and using the tribe. This is the way it was explained to me, not sure of the details, but I forwarded the same info to a few people who will likely check into the situation.

The WDFW hands are somewhat tied because public hunters are not able to use baiting or hounds due to the initiative which was passed several years ago by voters. Legislators have not overturned that vote so it stands. Tribes are not bound by those restrictions, so it appears the DNR is bypassing WDFW management of wildlife.

However, if bear are such a problem there, was there additional spring tags issued? 

[saylean]

A valid question Bearpaw. I know my buddy from Lummi tribe can hunt bears year round with no bag limit....You would think they would increase spring bear permits if the damage was so bad...maybe make a buck at it as well... :dunno:Keep us posted on here, as I am sure you will.

[bearpaw]

Dnr went to game department and game department Didnt do anything so thay gave the key to the tribes so its are good game department thats doing it to all of us hunters not Dnr

Can you provide any other info regarding this?

[huntnfmly]

It sounds to me that since the WDFW hasn't reduced bear damage that the DNR is bypassing state management and using the tribe. This is the way it was explained to me, not sure of the details, but I forwarded the same info to a few people who will likely check into the situation.

The WDFW hands are somewhat tied because public hunters are not able to use baiting or hounds due to the initiative which was passed several years ago by voters. Legislators have not overturned that vote so it stands. Tribes are not bound by those restrictions, so it appears the DNR is bypassing WDFW management of wildlife.

However, if bear are such a problem there, was there additional spring tags issued? 

Ruth just called me and that is exactly how she explained it to me.That we as non tribal members are bound by the no bait or hounds but tribal members are not so that is how the dnr is taking care of peeling.Ruth said they are very dissapointed with dnr decision are trying to come up with better ways to manage the problem.Aka more permits    or longer seasons

[True Sportsman]

It sounds to me that since the WDFW hasn't reduced bear damage that the DNR is bypassing state management and using the tribe. This is the way it was explained to me, not sure of the details, but I forwarded the same info to a few people who will likely check into the situation.

The WDFW hands are somewhat tied because public hunters are not able to use baiting or hounds due to the initiative which was passed several years ago by voters. Legislators have not overturned that vote so it stands. Tribes are not bound by those restrictions, so it appears the DNR is bypassing WDFW management of wildlife.

However, if bear are such a problem there, was there additional spring tags issued? 

Ruth just called me and that is exactly how she explained it to me.That we as non tribal members are bound by the no bait or hounds but tribal members are not so that is how the dnr is taking care of peeling.Ruth said they are very dissapointed with dnr decision are trying to come up with better ways to manage the problem.Aka more permits    or longer seasons

I know on private land, timber companies can use individuals to hound hunt on bear damage permits. Thise individuals dont have to be tribal. That might not be the case on DNR land. DNR might have to use tribal members because of some rule they have.

My guess is the DNR has quite a problem with bear damage and lots of damaged trees. They needed to find a solution immediately, so they went to the tribe to take out some problem bears. You can say they could have done more permit hunts and other options, but the fact is hound hunting is the most effective way to kill bears. Especially problem bears.

[huntnfmly]

It sounds to me that since the WDFW hasn't reduced bear damage that the DNR is bypassing state management and using the tribe. This is the way it was explained to me, not sure of the details, but I forwarded the same info to a few people who will likely check into the situation.

The WDFW hands are somewhat tied because public hunters are not able to use baiting or hounds due to the initiative which was passed several years ago by voters. Legislators have not overturned that vote so it stands. Tribes are not bound by those restrictions, so it appears the DNR is bypassing WDFW management of wildlife.

However, if bear are such a problem there, was there additional spring tags issued? 

Ruth just called me and that is exactly how she explained it to me.That we as non tribal members are bound by the no bait or hounds but tribal members are not so that is how the dnr is taking care of peeling.Ruth said they are very dissapointed with dnr decision are trying to come up with better ways to manage the problem.Aka more permits    or longer seasons

I know on private land, timber companies can use individuals to hound hunt on bear damage permits. Thise individuals dont have to be tribal. That might not be the case on DNR land. DNR might have to use tribal members because of some rule they have.

My guess is the DNR has quite a problem with bear damage and lots of damaged trees. They needed to find a solution immediately, so they went to the tribe to take out some problem bears. You can say they could have done more permit hunts and other options, but the fact is hound hunting is the most effective way to kill bears. Especially problem bears.

correct private land they dont need to use tribal members but with dnr being public land they have to use tribal members to get around law.It was not me that said they needed more permits or longer seasons kt was ruth saying that they are working on that and yes the best way to manage the problem is with hounds i agree

[Wenatcheejay]

It sounds to me that since the WDFW hasn't reduced bear damage that the DNR is bypassing state management and using the tribe. This is the way it was explained to me, not sure of the details, but I forwarded the same info to a few people who will likely check into the situation.

The WDFW hands are somewhat tied because public hunters are not able to use baiting or hounds due to the initiative which was passed several years ago by voters. Legislators have not overturned that vote so it stands. Tribes are not bound by those restrictions, so it appears the DNR is bypassing WDFW management of wildlife.

However, if bear are such a problem there, was there additional spring tags issued? 

Ruth just called me and that is exactly how she explained it to me.That we as non tribal members are bound by the no bait or hounds but tribal members are not so that is how the dnr is taking care of peeling.Ruth said they are very disappointed with dnr decision are trying to come up with better ways to manage the problem.Aka more permits    or longer seasons

This is why these initiatives should be rescinded. Why can't our State understand that the reason Tim Eyman is so popular? They should be making revenue from bear baiting. People would pay. Instead you have private enterprise being harmed by nuisance bears, loosing revenue, and the State not making revenue where it should.

[Gringo31]

I'm more and more convinced that WDFW or whatever gov't agency is involved.....that their goal is not conservation but of $$$.  They will allow a 2 fishing pole endorsement (for a fee) why?  For conservation?  It's all about the $$$.  So....why don't they continue the process with pay to play, jacking up the prices for outdoor activities and sell off damage permits to outfitters?  Make it a money generator and have more control of who is doing what in those areas.

Handing the keys to the tribe is.......playing with fire.