White River Quality Elk

[257 Wby Mag]

Who is this bowbeder cat? Comes on here to dig for info? Just schittin ya Corb, I'll see if I can get any more info for ya, and let ya know next time I see ya at work. Might wanna check with Jake up in Birch, I know his brother or buddy had it the same year Matt did. Later

[TikkaT3-270Shortmag]

Corbin what you guys will find out from people that know the area is it will be the same areas over & over you will here about. Get maps if your looking for a specific area I may have the map you are more than welcome to copy it. 257 if your talking about the matt m. I probably have the maps Corbin & his buddy may want. See ya there!

[BowBender87]

Who is this bowbeder cat? Comes on here to dig for info? Just schittin ya Corb, I'll see if I can get any more info for ya, and let ya know next time I see ya at work. Might wanna check with Jake up in Birch, I know his brother or buddy had it the same year Matt did. Later

How else am I supposed to get on these big bulls unless i got all these great white hunters such as yourself given me there "Professional" advice.  We dont all hunt at night with our 257 wby! 

[cem3434]

Did all you Chehalis boys put in together?

[trophyhunt]

I think the Indian season starts the 15th of September, so all of you arrow flingers show have a head start on them at least. Based on what I seen last year, the 72 and Knoble Knob area are the way to go!

The tribes can hunt anytime they want, all they need is something to celebrate and they can call it a ceremony hunt. The normal season for them runs Aug.1st till Feb 14th I believe.

[JBar]

They started Sept 15th last year. The elk along the river after the 15th were pretty scarce after that! Kept seeing the same truck running around in there pretty sure he took more than one or he kept bringing guys in with him.

[trophyhunt]

The muck's have certain guys that hunt for the tribe, they can kill many bulls.

[cem3434]

I talked to their enforcement officer many times last year.  He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year.  Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. 

I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research.  They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls.  He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. 

None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty.  I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe.  There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.

I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes.  Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.

[Bowtech7]

Cem3434 i have to agree with ya. Everyone ive talked to said that its a good tag and there are tons of elk and alot of nice bulls. And im the one that has the tag my buddy Corb aka Bowbender87 is helping me out he is going to be calling for me on the hunt and helpin me find info on where to go. Hes good at callin and im trusting him and my brother to help kill me a big bull. Plus we will start scouting in a couple of weeks. And as far as the indians go i dont think that will be an issue everyone that i ve talked to said they dont get out of there rigs so all i have to do is get off in the timber and start callin. I think it will be fun for my first year bow hunting.

[cem3434]

You will have a blast.  The elk didnt really start rutting good or responsing to calls until late September. The first week of October was when the rut seemed to be in full swing, so dont get discouraged if the bulls arent responding early in the season.

I think if you see a bull that is at least 280 then you should start thinking about letting an arrow fly. We seen several bulls that were 280 plus and a couple of pigs that were 330" plus. I think that you will have fun and its a big area, so just get away from the roads and you will be successful.

Let me know how the scouting is going and I will try and give you some tips or other areas to check out after you have a look around the area. 

[trophyhunt]

I talked to their enforcement officer many times last year.  He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year.  Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. 

I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research.  They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls.  He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. 

None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty.  I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe.  There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.

I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes.  Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.

I would venture to say that you are the one with limited information on the tribes when it comes to hunting elk in the white river. I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mucks and the 10 other tribes that hunt there. I get my info from the warden that has over 30+ years fighting these a holes.  No one said there was no elk left, and the indians do for a fact slaughter the elk in there. I think you have a *censored* for the tribes because one might be a friend and maby you want to hunt with him sometime?  Not all Hate comes from rumors, most of the hate for the way the tribes hunt is from real facts.  They rub it in our face and most of us hate them for it, it may be our governments fault but it's just the same old bs that will be around forever. As far as the thread getting jacked, I think he's had some good help so far.  People are telling it the way it is for the most part.  I would love to have the tag someday, I just hope they put it in the bull catagory where it belongs or open it to everyone and not just the tribes with a few lucky non indians to draw permits.

[bigtex]

I talked to their enforcement officer many times last year.  He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year.  Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. 

I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research.  They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls.  He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. 

None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty.  I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe.  There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.

I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes.  Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.

I would venture to say that you are the one with limited information on the tribes when it comes to hunting elk in the white river. I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mucks and the 10 other tribes that hunt there. I get my info from the warden that has over 30+ years fighting these a holes.  No one said there was no elk left, and the indians do for a fact slaughter the elk in there....Not all Hate comes from rumors, most of the hate for the way the tribes hunt is from real facts.  They rub it in our face and most of us hate them for it, it may be our governments fault but it's just the same old bs that will be around forever. As far as the thread getting jacked, I think he's had some good help so far.  People are telling it the way it is for the most part.  I would love to have the tag someday, I just hope they put it in the bull catagory where it belongs or open it to everyone and not just the tribes with a few lucky non indians to draw permits.

 
The WDFW Officer in that area is approaching 40 years as a WDFW Officer and has spent it all in that area. The White River was the first has been the worst killing area for tribal elk hunting in the entire state. The area has the most tribes in the state that hunts it however the biggest problem for that one officer (and others that have worked the area) has always been the Muckleshoot tribe.

[bentley30-06]

If it is the same warden that I am thinking of he was involved in a lawsuit between him and the muckleshoots for trying to do his damn job, enforcing the laws of the wild. Also the thread hasn't been hijacked....the tribes make up for vital information in regards to this hunt.  Otherwise, you would be curious as to why there are guys shooting elk with rifles when its archery season and they are not getting punished for their actions. 

[trophyhunt]

I talked to their enforcement officer many times last year.  He stated that their season starts on September 15th and each member is only allowed one bull per year.  Any ceremonies that are approved by the tribe allows for additional animals to be havested, but there are only a couple of the members of the tribe that can hunt for the ceremonial kills. 

I also have a friend who works for the Muckleshoot Public Works Department and he did a little research.  They are not allowed to kill cows during their season only bulls.  He also told me that they only harvested 42 bulls total last year and 39 bulls the previous year. 

None of us like that they basically can hunt for 4 months with any weapon, but its their right as stated under some treaty.  I think that every thread about the White River unit gets hijacked due to somebody wanting to bitch about the tribe.  There are a ton of elk in the unit and I bet that cougars kill more than the Indians.

I guess my point is, stop bitching or go push your elected leaders into forcing some changes.  Go educate yourself on the issues, so you don't look so damn ignorant by making blanket statements like there is no elk left because the tribe killed them all. Stop hijacking the threads because all you are doing is adding fuel to a fire that has no way of burning out in the foreseeable future.

I would venture to say that you are the one with limited information on the tribes when it comes to hunting elk in the white river. I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mucks and the 10 other tribes that hunt there. I get my info from the warden that has over 30+ years fighting these a holes.  No one said there was no elk left, and the indians do for a fact slaughter the elk in there....Not all Hate comes from rumors, most of the hate for the way the tribes hunt is from real facts.  They rub it in our face and most of us hate them for it, it may be our governments fault but it's just the same old bs that will be around forever. As far as the thread getting jacked, I think he's had some good help so far.  People are telling it the way it is for the most part.  I would love to have the tag someday, I just hope they put it in the bull catagory where it belongs or open it to everyone and not just the tribes with a few lucky non indians to draw permits.

 
The WDFW Officer in that area is approaching 40 years as a WDFW Officer and has spent it all in that area. The White River was the first has been the worst killing area for tribal elk hunting in the entire state. The area has the most tribes in the state that hunts it however the biggest problem for that one officer (and others that have worked the area) has always been the Muckleshoot tribe.

Thanks bigtex, that warden is a friend of the family and I have the up most respect for him. I wish he would write a book on his life's experiences, that would be a real eye opener for a lot of people. I'm not looking forward to the day he retires, we both agree that the muck's will probably go out and kill a few bulls in their celebration of it. We need to talk him into writing that book, take care.

[cem3434]

Trophyhunt, this was never about you so I don't know why you are taking this so personal. I am not a sympathizer of the Indians and your suggestions that I have befriended a member of the tribe or I am trying to get in with the tribe pisses me off. I have gathered that I am quite a bit younger than you because I never had the pleasure of hunting this unit before it went permit only.

As far as Bruce goes, he has been in that area for a long time and it appears to many people that he sometimes has his own objectives. This is the opinion of many others that I know because of some decisions he has made, especially with relocating cougars closer to Enumclaw. I probably spent 30 days in the unit last year scouting and hunting and I never seen him one time. I have only ever met the guy one time about 10 years ago and he didn't say anything that pushed me into liking or disliking him.

I know the Indians killed more than the 42 bulls they reported last year, but lets not forget about our fellow white poachers.  When I was hunting in there last year, we bumped into 3 (grandfather, father and son) white guys hunting during modern firearm season for elk and none of them had a permit.  I had to convince them that the season had been closed in there for years and was permit only.  They told me that they had never stopped hunting in that area and never were aware of the closure. If we are so ignorant to think that the Indians are the only ones poaching elk, then same on us.

Like I said before, I understand that you and many other members have been fighting with the tribes for along time and NOBODY likes the fact that they basically have a private hunting reserve.  This is obviously a very touchy issue with you and several others on this site, so take all of your anger and try to figure out how to make your elected officials work for you. I do agree with you that if WDFW isn't going to properly patrol the unit, then re-open it to everyone and don't just let the Indians kill the majority of the bulls in the unit.

I also agree that any hunter that has this tag should be informed about the tribes going on killing sprees in the unit, especially during the rut.  WDFW should up there patrols in units like the White River where the Indians hunt.  In all of my time scouting and hunting last year, I only ever seen one DNR patrol officer and the Muckleshoot enforcement officer several times.  The lack of patrol is one of the biggest problems and this is something you could probably do something about if you called your elected officials enough.