Past two years in a row my buddies and I (four of us total) have pulled out one cow per year. Last year we had a ton of elk pics on our trail cams. Literally, over a thousand pictures of bulls, cows and calfs. Even a few nice shooter bucks. But, since they changed with the season a few years back to start after the Labor Day weekend, there are a lot of campers over there for the long weekend and it seems every one of them has a long-gun or pistol that they want to shoot at all hours of the day or night. So, come opening day, the elk were no longer near some of our trail cam locations after all the noise and extra traffic. As someone else mentioned, seems like more and more people hunting over there each year too. Typically, Bulls are very quiet. However, did hear several of them the last weekend of the season. None of us drew an archery Bull tag this year either. So, we will be over there chasing cows again. One of my buddies went last weekend to set his cams, and myself and another member o our group are leaving tomorrow.