Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[humanure]

Meh, this just happen to be a unique topic. Doubt I would have came back otherwise, and I'm starting to tire of this already since people are going to spout off true intolerance like that statement made by predatorpro and the ilk. It;s funner for me if they try to deny such sentiments, but once they deliver the coup de grace like that statement... where do you go from there? That was the climax given without much foreplay involved. It's called longevity, people! Learn to have stamina!

[Chukar]

And Humanure I get what yer trying to do but this whole thing isn't right.
Ain't right from a logistical standpoint of ranchers and farmers

Ain't right that those not in field are making calls in the field.

Ain't right that those in urban populations are making decisions ( through funding, votes and politics) for those on rural outposts in regards to how they make a living and provide for family.

This whole wolf thing ain't right. Like alot of things right now it seems and thing is whats right usually gets worked out right. Without taking matters into our own hands like with a guy that has a number of POACHING calls against him.

We are backing the wrong pony here if a "defense fund" is our best idea.
Let's grab an Idaho tag instead and come home fully furred
It's the least we can do.

[humanure]

And Humanure I get what yer trying to do but this whole thing isn't right.
Ain't right from a logistical standpoint of ranchers and farmers

Ain't right that those not in field are making calls in the field.

Ain't right that those in urban populations are making decisions ( through funding, votes and politics) for those on rural outposts in regards to how they make a living and provide for family.

This whole wolf thing ain't right. Like alot of things right now it seems and thing is whats right usually gets worked out right. Without taking matters into our own hands like with a guy that has a number of POACHING calls against him.

We are backing the wrong pony here if a "defense fund" is our best idea.
Let's grab an Idaho tag instead and come home fully furred
It's the least we can do.

I can't talk smack if it ain't against the law, now can I? But I have little interest in what goes on in Idaho. I was raised in Washington, I don't plan on ever leaving tis mountain, so thats where my focus is. You hunt these lands and don't want wolves, I have roamed these lands my whole life and also begun hunting as well, and I want wolves. What makes your wants more valid than mine? and vice-versa.

[humanure]

This whole wolf thing ain't right.

To YOU it's not right. Thats just personal opinion, just like everything I have said has been personal opinion.

[Kain]

I think it is a bit of a stretch to assume a majority of hunters are for this kind of illegal action.  Some have condoned it.  Some have been sympathetic.  And some have outright condemned this guys illegal activity.  One guys statement on this site does not speak for the rest of "hunters" just like extremists on the other side dont speak for the pro wolf crowd.   

Wolves are here and here to stay.  There is very little we can do about it.  Some will not accept it willingly and they will have to pay the price for their actions if they get caught.  Others will do all they can to minimize the damage.  Most will just put their heads in the sand and bitch about the good old days.   

I dont know where MANure fits in honestly he is really fighting for something that has already happend so maybe he just like the punishment.  I hear some people are like that.    


Troller Gonna Troll

[Chukar]

Your arguments however have come WAY across your hill.
Sure you would recognize the old "people in glass houses should not huck rocks"
Sooner and hopefully later chickens do roost.

Historically man has made some poor wildlife decisions

Wolves are not one of those

They don't do fences. They don't observe Holidays. They do not hold pets in high regard.
They run down everything. Well.
You don't race one wolf you race them all.
The social system they govern accelerates within the given territory until it needs to expand. And then again. And again.

Thing is. I'm here. My land is here. Your land is here. Our game is here.

Who's call is this?
Gonna go with those that are affected by this intruder cause that what this canine is. An intruder
The ones that were here before are gone. Have been gone.
AND I AM CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BACK A POACHER or call a Judge within our court system a "bitch" cause I have my story wrong or argue the fine points of when a guy is an admitted POACHER and when one is awaiting to admit GUILT as a POACHER
Screwy when one has to preach to the choir and deliberate with the Devil.
Let's get it together here boys and girls

[Chukar]

Far as The "majority" of hunters not part of the problem check the thread... those opposed to poaching or opposed to a guy who has pleaded guilty to poaching should be the minority I believe in my count. 
Tossing in your "most hunters don't do this " falls a little flat here.

 
Call a spade a spade. We should speak out against wrong either way.  Saying it's not prevalent or ignoring it leaves shots unanswered. Gotta respond as we are dwindling and our voice is becoming fainter

[Skyvalhunter]

You are ignoring this person

Damn it's nice to be able to do this!!

[MuleySniper]

Funny how they love civil disobedience when its a cause they believe in.   Well they got people on the hippy side destroying property, getting arrested for trespassing and all sort of other stuff.  Hell even had one set himself on fire and try to run into a fur store a couple years ago (door was locked...oops).  Now there are some extremists on the other side breaking laws for causes they believe in and here comes Johny Lawful keeping all of us on the righteous path.  A regular voice of reason. 

Calling people asswholes.

Go home Johnny we heard your pitch we just dint like your product.  It causes cancer.

 
Oh and I do not doubt humanure spent $100 in hunting licenses last year either. Lots of animal rights organizations buy permits with their funding just to burn a tag in limited draw areas. Nothing new there.
MS

[MuleySniper]

This whole wolf thing ain't right.

To YOU it's not right. Thats just personal opinion, just like everything I have said has been personal opinion.

No he's speaking on behalf of the MAJORITY of hunters who with this introduction of wolves will be affected most. Again humanure, you are on a Washington based pro hunting website. I'm a little concerned too how you say you have no concern for our neighboring Idaho....I'd bet though if you spent some time on an Idaho based hunting and fishing site your comments wouldn't be nearly as tolerated as they are here. 
MS

[predatorpro]

i actually had a guy from Idaho follow me for block across town the other day and pulled in behind me when i got to the hospital with my son and i was like o man this guys gonna chew my butt for something, ended up being that he saw i had a "smoke a pack a day" sticker on my truck that has a pack of wolves with cross hairs on it lol he thought it was one the best stickers he had seen and really wanted to know where to get one, he was also a pretty avid hunter and we started talking and he seemed pretty passionate on the subject of wolves being the worst thing that ever happened to idaho's hunting and how he hopes to see as many of them taken care of as possible, i would like humanure to give of a list of ten thing y wolves would actually be good for hunting in washington? we are already restricted enough and it just gets worse and worse every year...

[bearpaw]

Just to clarify, so that I am not classed as a poacher, I do not agree with poaching.
But, I do not think people who are simply protecting their property should be labeled as poachers and honestly none of us know all the facts to be able to say Bill White wasn't potecting his property.

I keep seeing an argument from humanure regarding a claim that ungulates cannot be shot to protect crops, that is patently false. Crop protection occurs in Washington on a frequent basis. The WDFW even issues dozens of permits to ranchers in my county alone, anyone who has a hunting license and deer tag, can shoot a doe to reduce the impact on crops long before hunting season ever opens. If I walk out my door and find that deer keep destroying my garden I can legally shoot that deer and call the game warden to come and get it off my property. That is the law, that is a fact. Same for ranchers, they can protect their crops and then call the game warden to remove the dead marauding deer or elk.

Now why can’t I protect my livestock or pets against wolves? There is a fine line that needs to be defined regarding predators in Washington. This will eventually be addressed regarding what is considered poaching and what is considered protecting your livestock just as it is being addressed in Idaho with wolves and grizzly bears. If the White's killed wolves that were attempting to kill their livestock or chased a bear away that stalking their calves, then I would find it hard to convict them for their actions and I would say this state needs to get their *censored* together and offer ranchers a legal way to protect their property and livelihood. This whole wolf recovery goes against our rights that are guaranteed by this country’s founding documents.

I don't know the details of the White case but in my mind no person should be denied their right to protect themselves or their property. Current laws allow myself or you to lethally protect ourselves against criminals breaking into our home, criminals who attack us on the street, deer or elk that eat our crops, even a woodpecker that is pecking holes in my house (game warden gave us permission to blow him away to protect our home), and coyotes or bear that kill our livestock.

But if a wolf or grizzly bear or eagle comes in and kills my livestock or my pet in my backyard, I cannot do anything. In my opinion something is wrong. Unfortunately it takes cases like the White's or like the guy in Bonners Ferry to get laws changed regarding wolves or grizzly bears.

Bill White admitted to shooting at a moose in Canada and was not licensed. In my mind, that was the most obvious poaching charge against him. Fine him for it and let him learn a lesson. I am not banishing him from the empire and never speaking to him again, I know he deserves better than that regardless of what anyone may say. I also question the facts of those who claim White has a history of poaching, I'm not sure that has been proven. Has Bill White ever been convicted of poaching previously?

I saw the comment about the eagle parts but didn't see anything that said he shot the eagle, if he happened to pick up a feather or pick up parts from an already dead eagle (they can’t all live forever) then I would think he would be guilty of illegal possession of parts, but he is not an eagle poacher unless he shot the eagle in my mind.

Some may say I am giving White the benefit of the doubt on this but let me give you a real life example: A guy I know was turkey hunting along the Kettle River and found a dead eagle. He thought the feet were pretty cool looking so he cut one off to keep. When I heard that he had found an eagle and cut off a foot I told him that it was a federal violation and suggested that he take the foot back and then call the game warden which he did. He explained the whole situation to the game warden and took the warden to the dead bird. It was investigated and he received no citation due to his cooperation, however, had I not warned the guy that it was illegal to be in possession of eagle parts, the guy would not have known and would of unknowingly been in violation of federal law and could have been charged exactly as Bill White has been charged. This isn't a stupid guy I am talking about, he is now a successful veterinarian with a solid business, but at the time he was simply ignorant of the law, but was he a poacher? I have never heard of him doing anything else that violates any game laws. I'm just glad there wasn't a lynch mob wanting to hang the poor guy or wanting to destroy the guy before they had all the facts.

Before you hang Bill White for being a long time poacher or an eagle poacher, you should know the whole story, whatever it may be, and you should know if he has a history of game violations and if he shot the eagle. If he killed the eagle he will have to face the consequences, but if the circumstances are more innocent in nature, I would say you are unfairly calling him an eagle poacher.

There's good reason people should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

[pianoman9701]

Much of the MH permits and regional tags are used solely for crop damage by ungulates. Humanure, with his complete lack of hunting and conservation knowledge would not know that. He's definitely a poser.

[bearpaw]

I honestly feel it's the laws that are messed up with wolf "introduction". If they didn't eliminate ranchers and landowners ability to protect their property and livlihood they wouldn't have half the opposition to wolves.

But they knew wolves would be eating beef, lamb, horse, and dog, so they took away our rights that are guaranteed by the founding documents. Like I said, it's cases like the White's and other ranchers in Idaho, Montana, and WY that will be needed to get wolf laws changed. In Idaho Bill White would likely not have even been charged for killing those wolves.

In 10 years everybody on this site will have a much different view of the White's after many other ranchers and pet owners have suffered the "wrath of the wolf". The media and the WDFW has been pretty successful at turning this into a poaching case, hunters and ranchers need to use this wolf case as an example of why laws need changed so that people can protect their property and livilhood.

[Machias]

Good post Dale.  I hope the White's are able to learn from their mistake and move on with their lives.  This has been hanging over them for a long time, granted it's self inflicted pain, but hopefully they can finally move on.  $38,000 is no small amount for doing something that 200 miles away can be done for $11.