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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #135 on: April 06, 2012, 08:57:32 AM »
In the documents I read it said the White's had info on how to trap or snare wolves and that the Lookout Pack was living in the area of their ranch. HHHHMMMMMM, sounds to me like these wolves were a threat to the man's livilhood. I don't care what they call it, the man was trying to protect his property and there is a preponderance of evidence suggesting that. Do you guys really hold it against a guy for doing that.

Good thing his trial wasn't a jury trial in my county where three ranchers are missing 41 head of cattle and there is wolf poop littering the countryside full of cattle hair.

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #136 on: April 06, 2012, 09:14:13 AM »
It seems like everyone has forgotten he was also convicted for a violation of the Lacey Act since he POACHED an animal in Canada and brought it into WA. A provision of the Lacey Act prohibits you from bringing unlawfully taken game/fish/plants across state/international borders.

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #137 on: April 06, 2012, 09:30:51 AM »
It seems like everyone has forgotten he was also convicted for a violation of the Lacey Act since he POACHED an animal in Canada and brought it into WA. A provision of the Lacey Act prohibits you from bringing unlawfully taken game/fish/plants across state/international borders.

Not at all, I pointed it out clearly....

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Bill White admitted to shooting at a moose in Canada and was not licensed. In my mind, that was the most obvious poaching charge against him. Fine him for it and let him learn a lesson. I am not banishing him from the empire and never speaking to him again, I know he deserves better than that regardless of what anyone may say. I also question the facts of those who claim White has a history of poaching, I'm not sure that has been proven. Has Bill White ever been convicted of poaching previously?


Yes, the Whites messed up badly and this will be an expensive learning process. But once the whole thing is finished and if he acted to protect his stock in respect to the wolves, I invite Bill White to join the forum with the username "Bill White" so everyone knows exactly who is posting and I hope he explains his case here on the forum. I think it's important for people to hear his version of the story, not the edited version you are getting from the pro-wolf news media who have painted him as a career poacher.


I like telling stories to illistrate points, here's another real life story. When I was a stupid teanager I was driving drunk and attemted to pass a car in the fog. I hit another vehicle head on and could have killed a half dozen people including a husband and wife in the other vehicle, my girlfriend at the time, and my sister and brother-in-law. I lost my drivers license for 6 months, I could see a lot of people had a lot of disgust regarding my actions, and I have worked to pay back the insurance company for most of my life. Had anyone died I would have also been locked up for manslaughter and that may have turned me into a career criminal, who knows. But society didn't hang me, they didn't lock me up, they gave me another chance to be a productive part of society.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I know Bill White was a good person 20ish years ago when I last talked to him in person and I suspect he is still a good person. I want to give Bill White the same kind chance to live up to whatever mistake he made as what society gave me.

Society places child rapists in new neighborhoods and puts murderers back on the street to try and fit into society. I can see no harm and in providing Bill White "a person who has actually volunteered his time for many good causes" from having another chance. :twocents:
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #138 on: April 06, 2012, 09:42:11 AM »
 
It seems like everyone has forgotten he was also convicted for a violation of the Lacey Act since he POACHED an animal in Canada and brought it into WA. A provision of the Lacey Act prohibits you from bringing unlawfully taken game/fish/plants across state/international borders.

Not at all, I pointed it out clearly....

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Bill White admitted to shooting at a moose in Canada and was not licensed. In my mind, that was the most obvious poaching charge against him. Fine him for it and let him learn a lesson. I am not banishing him from the empire and never speaking to him again, I know he deserves better than that regardless of what anyone may say. I also question the facts of those who claim White has a history of poaching, I'm not sure that has been proven. Has Bill White ever been convicted of poaching previously?


Yes, the Whites messed up badly and this will be an expensive learning process. But once the whole thing is finished and if he acted to protect his stock in respect to the wolves, I invite Bill White to join the forum with the username "Bill White" so everyone knows exactly who is posting and I hope he explains his case here on the forum. I think it's important for people to hear his version of the story, not the edited version you are getting from the pro-wolf news media who have painted him as a career poacher.


I like telling stories to illistrate points, here's another real life story. When I was a stupid teanager I was driving drunk and attemted to pass a car in the fog. I hit another vehicle head on and could have killed a half dozen people including a husband and wife in the other vehicle, my girlfriend at the time, and my sister and brother-in-law. I lost my drivers license for 6 months, I could see a lot of people had a lot of disgust regarding my actions, and I have worked to pay back the insurance company for most of my life. Had anyone died I would have also been locked up for manslaughter and that may have turned me into a career criminal, who knows. But society didn't hang me, they didn't lock me up, they gave me another chance to be a productive part of society.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I know Bill White was a good person 20ish years ago when I last talked to him in person and I suspect he is still a good person. I want to give Bill White the same kind chance to live up to whatever mistake he made as what society gave me.

Society places child rapists in new neighborhoods and puts murderers back on the street to try and fit into society. I can see no harm and in providing Bill White "a person who has actually volunteered his time for many good causes" from having another chance. :twocents:
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #139 on: April 06, 2012, 09:46:24 AM »
It seems like everyone has forgotten he was also convicted for a violation of the Lacey Act since he POACHED an animal in Canada and brought it into WA. A provision of the Lacey Act prohibits you from bringing unlawfully taken game/fish/plants across state/international borders.

Nope and not giving him a pass on that violation.  Of course paying $38,000 is not really getting a pass. 
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #140 on: April 06, 2012, 09:51:28 AM »
If a guy is out of work, can't get a job no matter what he does, can't feed his family and then robs a bank, don't we still convict him of bank robbery when he is caught?

I would have been on his side had they not been trying to make it into a trophy.

Absolutely, make him pay his debt to society.

But you can't expect him to be a productive member of society is you banish him from the empire. If you want to convert people after they have made mistakes you must give them another chance to fit in. We do it for most other wrongdoers, why can't we offer our compassion to the Whites? Let him pay his debt and let him plead his case where everyone can see it if he feels some of the facts were misconstrued by the media.
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #141 on: April 06, 2012, 10:48:23 AM »
No body Perfect, People Choose what they want and We all learn mistakes, God forgive him because He want to change to better Person. Once Bill asked God to forgive him for whatever happen He did.  God listen and God will forget all what happen and He will be a good person for all of us.
No need to JUDGE agasint him. God and Law will.

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #142 on: April 06, 2012, 11:50:19 AM »
Well, being a livestock owner I can tell you that I would go to the end to protect my livelyhood. We've invested our whole lives into our family ran business, which supports 3 families. It's taken 40 plus years of AI breeding to get to our quality of animals. So, to allow a unwanted predator to to invade my livelyhood on MY farm will not happen..

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2012, 12:03:45 PM »
No body Perfect, People Choose what they want and We all learn mistakes, God forgive him because He want to change to better Person. Once Bill asked God to forgive him for whatever happen He did.  God listen and God will forget all what happen and He will be a good person for all of us.
No need to JUDGE agasint him. God and Law will.

Bill is a VERY VERY GOOD GUY. I will always be his best buddy.  I will ALWAYS GO HUNT, Camp, hiking, WITH HIM.


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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #144 on: April 06, 2012, 12:14:56 PM »
No body Perfect, People Choose what they want and We all learn mistakes,

mulehunter it's good to see you on here and thanks for your insightful comments  :tup:
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #145 on: April 06, 2012, 12:42:39 PM »
They don't do fences. They don't observe Holidays. They do not hold pets in high regard.

Uh... are wild animals SUPPOSSED to think otherwise???
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #146 on: April 06, 2012, 12:46:41 PM »
They don't do fences. They don't observe Holidays. They do not hold pets in high regard.

Uh... are wild animals SUPPOSSED to think otherwise???

Missing the point again.  If it was a coyote, bear, cougar you could shoot it to protect your property and livelihood.  Wolf not so much.

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #147 on: April 06, 2012, 12:47:53 PM »
All I know about this is what I have read. I agree he should be able to protect his pets and livestock. Had he shot a wolf, let it lay and called it in to report it or (SSS)I doubt all of this would be going on. From what I read, they had photos of them celebrating and then packing it up and shipping it off to Canada. In that scenario I think he got what he deserved. I don't want the wolves around either, but no one is entitled to twist the laws for their own purposes. I don't know him personally, but some of my relatives do. He was big into hunting and was the local hunter ed instructor from what I hear. It's not like he didn't know what he was doing.
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #148 on: April 06, 2012, 12:54:05 PM »
I'm all for 2nd chances as well, but he has quite alot of things working against him that were by his own hands and volition. I don't see rehabilitation when others are looking past the severity of his actions. I'm not saying you should banish him, but if you build a defense support and stand up for the actions made, how is he suppossed to change his ways(and I'm not taking about the wolf poaching)?
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #149 on: April 06, 2012, 01:16:49 PM »
I'm all for 2nd chances as well, but he has quite alot of things working against him that were by his own hands and volition. I don't see rehabilitation when others are looking past the severity of his actions. I'm not saying you should banish him, but if you build a defense support and stand up for the actions made, how is he suppossed to change his ways(and I'm not taking about the wolf poaching)?

The only thing he needs to change is trying to ship them to canada.  I think the Whites and all the other livestock owners will and should protect there livestock against whatever.

 


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