Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[humanure]

What about the other pending poaching charges? He's a hunters-ed instructor. He knew how badly he was breaking the law, knew the consenquences and still did it.

I'll be honest, i don't believe for a minute he was protecting his livestock, at all. I know what wolves do and what they have done, but looking at all the evidence and actions laid out on the table... livestock protection is just an excuse that is going to lose some of it validity due to people abusing it to kill wolves. Plus, he was conspiring to do MORE than 'protecting his livestock'. He was going to go out of his way to do more unlawful acts. I always felt people might resort to going back to poisoning, I just hoped it wouldn't actually happen. Poisoning is probably the cruelest thing you can do to anyone or anything. It takes a special kind of person to watch an animal writhing in pain for hours on end... but then you've got your unethical slaughterhouses, but thats a whole 'nother discussion.

[Swiftkid]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

[Machias]

Nobody here is "backing" him or condoning what he did.  We are just not picking up the pitchfork with the rest of the village, or calling that he be stoned to death like alot of the pro-wolf crowds have and will do, that's all.  He was wrong, plain and simple, he's paid and will continue to pay a steep price.  Fine let, him pay and let him live his life, you can choose to turn your back on him and I fully support your reasoning, I for one will forgive him and hope he has changed his ways.  Do I personally do that with all poachers?  No, I just happen to have a personal relationship with this man. 

P.S.  You know we have other forum members who have been arrested for poaching, a couple of them have been high profile.  Most guys here have forgiven them and welcomed them back onto the forum.

[pianoman9701]

People are still responding to humanure, huh? What a waste.

[bearpaw]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

Nobody is argueing, he made a plea deal. He has been fined $38,000 for the wolves and the moose incident, that is hardly getting "let off", you greeners need to grow up. If he was a child rapist you'd probably be standing up for him. 

You must have missed my post. I made it very clear that unlike some previous false claims by humanure its legal to shoot elk or deer doing damage and I also stated that White should be able to protect his livestock. The evidence showed that the Lookout pack was living near his ranch and that he had information on how to control wolves. Why do you suppose he wanted to rid himself of wolves, the evidence leads me to beleive he was wanting to protect his livestock. If he lived in the city and was plotting to kill wolves that would be a different story, but the evidence proves the wolves were living near his livestock raising operation.

Like I said, if the man lived a little farther east he would not have committed a crime by shooting those wolves. In time we will move that boundary westward too. 

I should have said in a few years "the wolves" will cause that boundary to be moved westward. My neighbors in Stevens county are still out 41 head of cattle and they are not happy, that's about $40,000 taken from them by the wolf lovers who "introduced" larger non-native wolves into Idaho from northern Canada.

I remember a year or so ago the Idaho governor prohibited IDFG from investigating or reporting wolf killings to the feds. The only problem is that Bill White lives in the wrong state. But over time wolves are going to move the "wolf reality line" westward.

[Killmore]

I'm with Dale on this one, unless you make your living off livestock you have no clue!!

[Swiftkid]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

Nobody is argueing, he made a plea deal. He has been fined $38,000 for the wolves and the moose incident, that is hardly getting "let off", you greeners need to grow up. If he was a child rapist you'd probably be standing up for him. 

You must have missed my post. I made it very clear that unlike some previous false claims by humanure its legal to shoot elk or deer doing damage and I also stated that White should be able to protect his livestock. The evidence showed that the Lookout pack was living near his ranch and that he had information on how to control wolves. Why do you suppose he wanted to rid himself of wolves, the evidence leads me to beleive he was wanting to protect his livestock. If he lived in the city and was plotting to kill wolves that would be a different story, but the evidence proves the wolves were living near his livestock raising operation.

Like I said, if the man lived a little farther east he would not have committed a crime by shooting those wolves. In time we will move that boundary westward too. 

I don't know if you remember the farmer who shot 22 elk in his orchard because they were damaging his crop...he didn't get off so i don't believe your statement about shooting elk or deer that are causing damage is legal. They do give damage permits to farmers but they do not let them regulate deer and elk on they're property. I'm just trying to say laws are laws...if you don't want to live by them move to mexico.

[Squatch200]

 we are already in mexico!
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1

[bearpaw]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

Nobody is argueing, he made a plea deal. He has been fined $38,000 for the wolves and the moose incident, that is hardly getting "let off", you greeners need to grow up. If he was a child rapist you'd probably be standing up for him. 

You must have missed my post. I made it very clear that unlike some previous false claims by humanure its legal to shoot elk or deer doing damage and I also stated that White should be able to protect his livestock. The evidence showed that the Lookout pack was living near his ranch and that he had information on how to control wolves. Why do you suppose he wanted to rid himself of wolves, the evidence leads me to beleive he was wanting to protect his livestock. If he lived in the city and was plotting to kill wolves that would be a different story, but the evidence proves the wolves were living near his livestock raising operation.

Like I said, if the man lived a little farther east he would not have committed a crime by shooting those wolves. In time we will move that boundary westward too. 

I don't know if you remember the farmer who shot 22 elk in his orchard because they were damaging his crop...he didn't get off so i don't believe your statement about shooting elk or deer that are causing damage is legal. They do give damage permits to farmers but they do not let them regulate deer and elk on they're property. I'm just trying to say laws are laws...if you don't want to live by them move to mexico.

First I have no plans of moving to Mexico and I would ask that the wolf lovers and greeners do that. 

I haven't heard that White killed 22 wolves, but I will bet he saved saved 22 deer in a few months by killing those wolves. 

On a more serious note, my guess is that if the orchardist had shot one elk no problem, but he obviously shot as many as he could as they were likely fleeing his orchard. But he is entitled to protect his property and it happens regularly in this state, so nice try by using that one example.

It would be easy for you to draw me away from my point and into a separate discussion. Bottom line White was caught, he was fined, he will pay the price. Does that make him any worse than the guy who breaks the speed limit on the freeway and endangers the lives of your wife and children, I don't think so. WE don't expell speedsters from society, we make them pay, White now needs a chance to pay his debt and move forward. You call him what you want, I will still call him a friend.

[Earshot]

bearpaw, I can see both sides of this discussion. I just wanted to say, good for you for standing your ground, a good friend is hard to find and I think most of us would like a friend like you. 

[humanure]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

Nobody is argueing, he made a plea deal. He has been fined $38,000 for the wolves and the moose incident, that is hardly getting "let off", you greeners need to grow up. If he was a child rapist you'd probably be standing up for him. 

You must have missed my post. I made it very clear that unlike some previous false claims by humanure its legal to shoot elk or deer doing damage and I also stated that White should be able to protect his livestock. The evidence showed that the Lookout pack was living near his ranch and that he had information on how to control wolves. Why do you suppose he wanted to rid himself of wolves, the evidence leads me to beleive he was wanting to protect his livestock. If he lived in the city and was plotting to kill wolves that would be a different story, but the evidence proves the wolves were living near his livestock raising operation.

Like I said, if the man lived a little farther east he would not have committed a crime by shooting those wolves. In time we will move that boundary westward too. 

I don't know if you remember the farmer who shot 22 elk in his orchard because they were damaging his crop...he didn't get off so i don't believe your statement about shooting elk or deer that are causing damage is legal. They do give damage permits to farmers but they do not let them regulate deer and elk on they're property. I'm just trying to say laws are laws...if you don't want to live by them move to mexico.

I haven't heard that White killed 22 wolves, but I will bet he saved saved 22 deer in a few months by killing those wolves. 

Which hunters. bear and cougar will kill anyways. So in essence, they aren't saved.

[KillBilly]

The man plead guilty to these charges there for he is now classified as a POACHER...a poacher is a poacher just like a spade is a spade...you can get into how good he is or how he was protecting his livestock who cares...if this guy was shooting 300 class bull elk out of his orchards you wouldn't be backing him..

Nobody is argueing, he made a plea deal. He has been fined $38,000 for the wolves and the moose incident, that is hardly getting "let off", you greeners need to grow up. If he was a child rapist you'd probably be standing up for him. 

You must have missed my post. I made it very clear that unlike some previous false claims by humanure its legal to shoot elk or deer doing damage and I also stated that White should be able to protect his livestock. The evidence showed that the Lookout pack was living near his ranch and that he had information on how to control wolves. Why do you suppose he wanted to rid himself of wolves, the evidence leads me to beleive he was wanting to protect his livestock. If he lived in the city and was plotting to kill wolves that would be a different story, but the evidence proves the wolves were living near his livestock raising operation.

Like I said, if the man lived a little farther east he would not have committed a crime by shooting those wolves. In time we will move that boundary westward too. 

I don't know if you remember the farmer who shot 22 elk in his orchard because they were damaging his crop...he didn't get off so i don't believe your statement about shooting elk or deer that are causing damage is legal. They do give damage permits to farmers but they do not let them regulate deer and elk on they're property. I'm just trying to say laws are laws...if you don't want to live by them move to mexico.

I haven't heard that White killed 22 wolves, but I will bet he saved saved 22 deer in a few months by killing those wolves. 

Which hunters. bear and cougar will kill anyways. So in essence, they aren't saved.

As are those that don't know when to quit saved....

[humanure]

C'mon, you guys love me and you know it!

[humanure]

As said, I'm pro-hunting but i can't help but laugh my ass off at hunters screaming "we are trying to save our herds!". Your not saving them if your trying to kill them. We get it, you don't like having to work harder for your kills, but at least be real about it istead of that sorry excuse that no one believes.

And BTW, I don't have sympathy for child rapists. I hope they die a slow, painful death. No rapist should be given a 2nd chance.

[bearpaw]

bearpaw, I can see both sides of this discussion. I just wanted to say, good for you for standing your ground, a good friend is hard to find and I think most of us would like a friend like you. 

THANKS, I understand both sides too, and just to clear the air, I have told people in leadership positions that it worries me that wolves are not doing the public perception toward poaching any good. Great strides have been made to curb poaching in recent years. Now we have a specie that is above the law and it is threatening people's livlihoods and threatening our game herds and WDFW sides with all the wolf groups to force too many of these beasts upon those of us who have to live with them.

If you drive over to Idaho and talk to local residents in any small rural town you will find a large percentage who will tell you that wolf season will never end, it's open season year around. As wolf problems escalate in Washington you will see more and more people who take on that attitude. It's not good.

To top off my own frustration last year a neighbor who lives only 2 miles from me had 5 adult wolves trying to attack his german shephards in their kennel in his back yard. He was afraid they were going to get over the kennel fence and had to fire shots in the air to scare them off. I asked him if I could report it. I sent email which I also copied to all my legislators and a few others because I am proactive and because as an American I have that right under the 1st Amendment. I got a call from the Region 1 manager Steve Pozzanghera basically chewing me out for copying that message to my legislators. Then he goes on to tell me that it was coyotes. (typical WDFW response)

If my neighbor up the road would not have had a kennel around his dogs it's my guess he might have had to shoot those wolves (coyotes) to save his dogs. He would have been in deep trouble just like Bill White, but I would stand up for him as well, this is simply an injustice this whole wolf fiasco.

Anyway, I haven't seen Bill White in probably 20 years, but he was a good member of our community who volunteered his time to help others and I have heard and beleive he is a good member of the community where he lives now. The media and WDFW want to make an example of him, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better person than most people have for their neighbors. Let me put it a different way, would you rather have Bill White or humanure for your neighbor? (I know that wasn't fair, shame on me)

The WDFW and legislators need to manup and change the law to take care of this wolf situation before it gets to the point that poaching is an accepted practice like what has happened in Idaho.