Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[boneaddict]

They wouldn't have wanted me on the jury......   They are the real criminals in this case.   


By the way, I tend to be very supportive of law enforcement.  Sorry for not being supportive in this case. 

[Curly]

They wouldn't have wanted me on the jury......   They are the real criminals in this case.   


By the way, I tend to be very supportive of law enforcement.  Sorry for not being supportive in this case.

+1

[Machias]

Ok off the subject.   Sorry guys.
A 38k fine is probably a lot cheaper than going to court. 
Remember, our court system is designed to deal with bad people, they don't know how to work with people trying to do the right thing

In this instance they wanted $105,000 to go to court, $35,000 for each lawyer and all three needed lawyers.  Really had no choice but to plead guilty and at the last minute, after verbal agreements on the charges to be pled guilty to, some additional state charges were added on the paperwok and they would not remove them.  The deer poaching stems from a photo on his laptop, but it was loaded with the wrong date, as were several other non-hunting photos.  He even had someone willing to testify that he helped load this deer and it was not during the time frame the photo showed...but what do you do when your looking at $105,000 or $38,000.  He knows he was wrong, but he's not the habitual poacher he's being made out to be.  Hopefully someday, once all this is done, he can come on here and explain his side.  I'm sure some won't want to hear or care what his side of the story is, but I hope in the future he can get on with his life and get this behind him....I hope for the same thing for his family.

[stuckalot]

SSS Shoot, Skin, & Ship    Not the way I heard it was supposed to go. 

I have no doubt that they are great people, I don't like the plea bargain system, I think the cost and simple survival make too many innocent people guilty of something. But trying to ship the pelt, to another country none the less, is just epically stupid! And gives wolfers alot of very high visibility press that we don't need in this fight!
 

[humanure]

It just goes to show, poaching no matter what the reason doesn't pay. Just keep the predations as fresh as possible and get money off the defenders until the laws are changed.

[Machias]

It just goes to show, poaching no matter what the reason doesn't pay. Just keep the predations as fresh as possible and get money off the defenders until the laws are changed.

That's easy to say now, but this family tried many times to do the right thing, LONG before they ever killed a wolf.  He had a calf killed in 07 in his field.  He started scratching trails with a rake to figue out what it was.  Eventually, figured out it was a big dog or wolf, but at first thought it was a cougar.  Then started seeing the same tracks at his boneyard.  Most ranchers have a boneyard where they take their dead cattle and guts and hides so the eagles and ravens can clean them up.  Then in the winter up the road he had his best hound killed and completely eaten.  He told a Federal Biologist there were wolves.   His son even saw a pack of 9 and said it looked like one had a collar.  This was told to the local Bio and he said he would put that in his file of "bigfoot sightings".   Then a couple months later he told a different Federal Bio they had wolves and he just gave Bill the cold shoulder. A couple months later he found some hair samples he'd taken off a barbed wire fence and gave them to the second Bio.   He has no clue what he did with the samples but he never heard back.  Then he bought a trail camera and started getting pictures and got about a dozen pictures of wolves coming into the boneyard.  He then showed them to the Bio and he brought a trapper out and they caught two wolves and collared them.   At this point he'd already lost a pet and 6 calves.  He told the Bio at that time he'd also had a dog killed and eaten and he just rolled his eyes.  You might guess how he became frustrated by telling the Feds three times he had wolves and they didn't even bother to come look. 

[boneaddict]

You mean there is another side to this story.....(he says sarcastically)

[boneaddict]

how about the wolves that didn't exist in First Creek or the teanaway.....(some with collars)
how about the wolves that didn't exist over in Leclerc
how about the wolves that don't exist in Lincoln where the Spokane Indians just DNA'd
how about the wolves that didn't exist on Sherman or the San Poil
how about the wolves that...........and my list just keeps going.   NOT an illusion as I have seen with my own eyes.  So Humanure, how many have you seen in REAL LIFE out in the woods.....how many times were you the "prey"?


Not to mention how many miles, drainages etc those cute little lookout wolves travel and can be at the same place at the same time. LOL   

How much longer are we going to track those Blues wolves before they are achnowledged....maybe they are finally, I don't know

I gave up myself.   If they don't exist according to big brother, then they don't exist right?  I don't even bother with the sightings anymore.   After awhile someone else will finally stumble upon them.....or they will come clean.   

[Johnb317]

Hate to say it but he got on the radar by announcing wolves were attacking his livelihood.   Someone mentioned earlier, blood leaking from a pelt??   Doesn't add up.
If he had a defense fund I would have donated.   
I'm a believer in the United States, and hope that 90 percent of govt employees work hard to do the right thing.   
Then stuff like ruby ridge, and allowing guns across the border to Mexico and I start to wonder.   

[bearpaw]

Machias that's some really interesting info about his case. I have said it often, anyone should be able to protect themselves and their property. These wolves are above the law. It sounds to me like this man tried to do the right thing.

If I was elected as governor this fall and learned that to be fact, the White's would be getting a full pardon from me and their debt dismissed. Next I would implement a full investigation into the biologists who hid the facts and the wolves, if proven guilty they would be fired and ordered to pay the White's legal defense costs if that's at all possible to do.

[humanure]

The days of being able to have boneyards are gone. Most farmers have tractors, yes? if that kind of equipment is available, then they need to bury their carrion to keep unwanted animals from digging through it.

[bearpaw]

The days of being able to have boneyards are gone. Most farmers have tractors, yes? if that kind of equipment is available, then they need to bury their carrion to keep unwanted animals from digging through it.

I thought we like scavengers? (eagles, hawks, etc.)
Funny how you seem to forget about their wefare now that this involves wolves.

I don't think wolves belong on private ranch property period. We have children, pets, and livestock, when it comes to private property the only good wolf is a dead wolf, it should be open season on private land, I will do everything within my power to work to that end.

[humanure]

have fun in court, then.

BTW, you have to be responsible for your livestock, even your dead ones.

If I was elected as governor this fall and learned that to be fact, the White's would be getting a full pardon from me and their debt dismissed. Next I would implement a full investigation into the biologists who hid the facts and the wolves, if proven guilty they would be fired and ordered to pay the White's legal defense costs if that's at all possible to do.

Oh, I have no doubt you would. Hahaha.

[bearpaw]

have fun in court, then.

BTW, you have to be responsible for your livestock, even your dead ones.

If I was elected as governor this fall and learned that to be fact, the White's would be getting a full pardon from me and their debt dismissed. Next I would implement a full investigation into the biologists who hid the facts and the wolves, if proven guilty they would be fired and ordered to pay the White's legal defense costs if that's at all possible to do.

Oh, I have no doubt you would. Hahaha.

First, I find it disgusting that you think it is funny this man and family's life has been ruined for protecting their property when WDFW knew there was wolf problems brewing and failed to do anything.

If the man tried to get the WDFW to take action and they refused, he should not be held responsible for their failure to protect his herd. Everyone in the state knows the WDFW biologists have been lieing about wolves to protect them. The only reason there is any action is that citizens started collecting data so the WDFW is forced to admit there are wolves.

If it was proven biologists knew about the wolves and failed to help the White's, and then brought charges on them after they lost 6 or 7 calves, and after everyone has been told there are only coyotes in WA, those biologist should lose their jobs, that might likely be accomplished without a governor's help. My blood pressure is rising just thinking about this and I can't wait for White's case to be over so we can find out the facts. We all know you can't get the facts from the wolf biased WDFW or the biased media.

Here is a photo of one such lie. This cow was declared a wolf kill until the wolf-loving biologist arrived and declared it wasn't a wolf kill.

[Limhangerslayer]

Kind of off subject but still about wolves, Humanure all you do is argue everybody who is against wolves.  Your posts are 94.8% about wolves.  Got any hunting stories,pics, anything?