Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[humanure]

Oh yes there is.  It's called cyanide poppers and lots of them.  That is what it took to knock them back to begin with (utilizing tax payer coffers) and that is the only thing that is going to control them this time around.  Once we can get someone with some brains and some real money to beat these guys at their own game by proving that they broke the law to begin with then we might have a slim chance of getting this problem back to reality.

GOOD LUCK making something like that legal again.

My point exactly.  They can't have it both ways.  Either the brush wolf was truly extinct thus necessitating an experimental non-essential introduction or there was a native population abeit small and if that is the case then they broke the law.

You know what? We will never know. The wolves we have today are a mix of Canadians that came from the north at some point(whether it was after the Brush wolf was extinct or it's been here the whole time), Canadians that migrated from Yellowstone, and MAYBE, we'll never know for sure, but some might be a mix of Canadian Gray and Casacades Mountain/Brush wolf.

[Special T]

reggart. there are some people working on the legal side of this problem, unfortunatly they reside in ID. Wolves were brought into ID under illegal terms. IF we have the right Govenor me might be able to make the case that these wolves are an invasive species. With our current set of politicians you could prove the case point blank and they would still ignore us. 

[hirshey]

You have to realize, the hunting community is a SMALL aspect to most people when they view this state. The community is not infalleble. You cannot come off with an attitude that says you determine what is right and wrong for the environment and everyone who disagree's is a 'city-slickin greener'. You have no idea how bad statements like that hurt you. It makes you seem like unreasonable crack-pots who selfishly don't care about anything but killing wildlife. You have to play the PR game alot smarter. Granted, this is a hunting site, but it is public, and people do monitor these places.

Somewhat off topic, but I was watching Jeopardy the other night and they had the question: "this mountain range is the proposed boundary for a new state in the NW United States". It was the Cascade range, and the proposed change in statehood pertained to Washington, largely because of the disparity in viewpoints from east to west. If you broke the state at the cascade crest, you would have a significantly larger population of hunters in the areas most affected by wolf repopulation... just sayin'.

[bearpaw]

   I would certainly support "Eastern Washington" as a new state, our politics would be so much better. 

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I'd head east that very day.

[Goomsba]

  I would certainly support "Eastern Washington" as a new state, our politics would be so much better. 

[sooperfly]

One of the problems we'd face in Eastern Washington is coming up with enough tax money to support what's currently in place. 
Would be a challege for sure.  Currently we gain much more in taxes that we contribute. 

[bearpaw]

We could get rid of 3/4 off the handouts, most of the socialist programs, the takers would leave and providers would be left, our economy would boom, and we'd be money ahead.

[JimmyHoffa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_proposals

Over the latter half of the 20th century (and reportedly as far back as 1889), the counties of Eastern Washington have occasionally raised the possibility of splitting largely conservative and rural Eastern Washington (and sometimes the Idaho Panhandle) away from urban and liberal Western Washington. As recently as 2005, this has been officially proposed in the state legislature, amid the fallout of the 2004 governor's election. Suggested names for such a state include East Washington, Columbia, Lincoln, and Cascadia.

Good Luck.  How about just make King, Pierce, Thurston their own state and leave the rest? 

[bobcat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_partition_proposals

Over the latter half of the 20th century (and reportedly as far back as 1889), the counties of Eastern Washington have occasionally raised the possibility of splitting largely conservative and rural Eastern Washington (and sometimes the Idaho Panhandle) away from urban and liberal Western Washington. As recently as 2005, this has been officially proposed in the state legislature, amid the fallout of the 2004 governor's election. Suggested names for such a state include East Washington, Columbia, Lincoln, and Cascadia.

Good Luck.  How about just make King, Pierce, Thurston their own state and leave the rest?

No thanks, I'm in Thurston.

How about Pierce, King, Snohomish, Skagit, Whatcom, Island, and San Juan.

[MuleySniper]

Well it looks like humanure is getting what he wants. Now this thread is heading in a whole another direction. Pinning east vs. west making a bigger debacle out of the original topic.
MS

[Knocker of rocks]

One of the problems we'd face in Eastern Washington is coming up with enough tax money to support what's currently in place. 
Would be a challege for sure.  Currently we gain much more in taxes that we contribute. 

Not to mention the lack of population:  Eastern Washington has a population of 21% of the states total.  Remove Yakima and Spokane Counties, and that drops to about 11%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_Washington

[Knocker of rocks]

How about Pierce, King, Snohomish, Skagit, Whatcom, Island, and San Juan.

Clark would bolt for Oregon, and the hispanic population centers would gain even more political clout.

[hirshey]

Well it looks like humanure is getting what he wants. Now this thread is heading in a whole another direction. Pinning east vs. west making a bigger debacle out of the original topic.
MS

Nah, that was my fault.. Although the thread was already off topic.

[bearpaw]

I think we have shown that most members in E Washington and most parts of W Washington don't want wolves, many of us think the laws would be different if we weren't under the control of the concrete wolf worshippers, nobody wants to be assiciated with the concrete wolf worshippers, and the Whites would not have commited a crime against wolves if they were protecting their livestock in Idaho.