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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #255 on: April 11, 2012, 09:06:06 PM »
Actually he's getting just what he wants by getting a bunch of folks riled up and making rediculous statments about wolves, wolf poaching, and negative hunter attitudes.  The wolf posts lately have been getting pretty far out...

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #256 on: April 11, 2012, 09:34:41 PM »
Actually he's getting just what he wants by getting a bunch of folks riled up and making rediculous statments about wolves, wolf poaching, and negative hunter attitudes.  The wolf posts lately have been getting pretty far out...
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #257 on: April 11, 2012, 10:06:34 PM »
The whole trouble is, we let pack establish and meet the quota. The wolf people will still fight delisting. Regardless of how many wolves there are.

Play nice with us and we will agree to dlisting. But that day will never come without them fighting it.

So why play, they have proven in every other state that they will never support delisting.
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #258 on: April 12, 2012, 06:49:41 AM »
The whole trouble is, we let pack establish and meet the quota. The wolf people will still fight delisting. Regardless of how many wolves there are.

Play nice with us and we will agree to dlisting. But that day will never come without them fighting it.

So why play, they have proven in every other state that they will never support delisting.

Have a sound plan that meets the legal burden and requirements and they cannot stop it.  CNW is not going to try to stop it, they've made it clear that management (hunting) will occur when the pack #'s are met. 

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #259 on: April 12, 2012, 02:43:21 PM »
I thought Wyoming was NUTS, but I guess they had it figured out...

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #260 on: April 12, 2012, 04:32:15 PM »
I thought Wyoming was NUTS, but I guess they had it figured out...
me too... I am shocked and encouraged by WY.

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #261 on: April 12, 2012, 09:46:56 PM »
Everyone was blaming WY for slowing delisting, but as many of us thought, WY was doing the right thing by standing firm. This is the way Washington should be managed with predator status (shot on sight) anywhere outside the largest wilderness and park areas.

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G&F targets 98 wolves

By Cory Hatch, Jackson Hole Daily
Date: April 12, 2012

Hunting and other causes of death should reduce Wyoming’s wolf population outside Yellowstone National Park to roughly 170 wolves and 15 breeding pairs by next December, officials said Tuesday.

That computation assumes the predator is removed from Endangered Species Act protection in the state next fall as planned. Wildlife managers say there are currently about 270 wolves and more than 19 breeding pairs in Wyoming outside of Yellowstone.

Wyoming Game and Fish officials made the comments before a crowd of about 100 people at a meeting about proposed wolf hunting regulations.

Hunters would be allowed to kill 52 wolves in Wyoming’s trophy game area next fall under hunting regulations proposed by the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Other mortality, including management removals, poaching and vehicle collisions, would bring the total to 98 dead wolves.

About 10 percent of Wyoming’s wolf population lives in the state’s predator zone where they could be killed at any time without a license.

Harvesting 52 wolves is a conservative approach that ensures the state will keep its commitment to managing for a minimum of 100 wolves and 10 breeding pairs outside of Yellowstone, biologist Ken Mills said.

“Our objective is to manage for wolves with a buffer,” Mills said. “What we’re are doing is managing the population high enough over the minimum recovery level so that we can account for unanticipated mortality. There are very serious implications for us falling below 10 [breeding pairs] and 100 [wolves].”

Population data show that the requirement to maintain 10 breeding pairs likely will require more than 100 wolves.

“We’re not going to be able to manage for 105 wolves and have 10 breeding pairs,” Mills said. “We have start conservative because we know that 100 wolves does not always equal 10 breeding pairs.”

Some members of the audience said the state should kill more wolves in the 12 hunt areas clustered in the northwest corner of the state, especially in hunt areas north of Jackson where some blame wolves for a declining ratio of elk calves. But most said they supported Wyoming’s wolf management plan and the Wyoming Game and Fish Department.

“I do have concerns about that quota,” said Jesse Rodenbough, an outfitter and ranch manager based out of Moran. “I have great confidence in you, the red shirt team, managing these wolves and I support you 100 percent.”

Other outfitters said the wolf’s return is hurting the local economy.

“Since the gray wolf has arrived, it’s been going downhill,” Gros Ventre outfitter Glenn Taylor said. “The first thing I do when I get up in the morning is check to see if my dog is still alive. Game and Fish, they’re the best neighbors we have and we need to get behind them and move forward.”

However, conservation groups raised a number of issues with the hunting regulations and Wyoming’s wolf management plan.

Language in both documents that seems to give the state jurisdiction over wolf hunting in the John D. Rockefeller Jr. Memorial Parkway — a National Park Service unit — is likely illegal, said Sharon Mader, Grand Teton program manager for the National Parks Conservation Association. Game and Fish officials included the parkway as part of a hunt area, but said hunting would not be allowed on the 24,000-acre park unit in 2012.

“It appears that the state of Wyoming and the Game and Fish Commission has acted beyond their authority in terms of including the JDR specifically in the trophy game management area,” Mader said. “The National Park Service has management authority for wolves within the parkway.”

Grand Teton National Park and the parkway “should be removed from the trophy game management area,” Mader said.

Wolves that reside in Grand Teton National Park for part of the year also could be killed, said Chris Colligan, a wildlife advocate for the Greater Yellowstone Coalition.

“It would be a good addition to this wolf management plan to have a subunit with a minimum number of wolves that helps protect some of those park wolves that would leave the park and would be subject to hunting,” Colligan said.

Visit www.gf.state.wy.us to see the draft regulations. Public comments will be accepted until April 23. Comments can be submitted to Wyoming Game and Fish Department, Attn.: Wolf Regulation Comments, 3030 Energy Lane, Casper, WY 82604.
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #263 on: April 18, 2012, 11:11:17 AM »
So how many wolves or breeding pairs need to be confirmed before they allow that bearpaw?  I hope they are following in wy footsteps. 

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #264 on: April 18, 2012, 08:10:18 PM »
We would be better off to not have been, but since we're here, it's our responsibility to exist without standing in natures way, It is not in our DNA to mandatorily become environmentally destructive juggernauts!

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #265 on: April 18, 2012, 08:14:55 PM »
:yeah:  I would certainly support "Eastern Washington" as a new state, our politics would be so much better.  :tup:

My wife and I would move in heartbeat!!!! I am out of place on the Westside. Tree hugging, wolve loving democrats suck!!!
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #266 on: April 18, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »
One of the problems we'd face in Eastern Washington is coming up with enough tax money to support what's currently in place. 
Would be a challege for sure.  Currently we gain much more in taxes that we contribute. 



1- Part of the discrepency in money coming back from the state is to fund assinine mandates that they have forced on counties without the revenue base to support them, or any need for them in the first place!

2- I would gladly take less "state" money in return for self determination, and a state government that reflects the values of Eastern Washington!
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #267 on: April 18, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »
We could get rid of 3/4 off the handouts, most of the socialist programs, the takers would leave and providers would be left, our economy would boom, and we'd be money ahead. :twocents:

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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #268 on: April 19, 2012, 04:01:52 PM »
Humanure I deleted your last post.  No need to cut and paste posting from other boards to slander the Whites.  A bunch of he said, I heard from someone's cousin's uncle stuff.
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Re: Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World
« Reply #269 on: April 19, 2012, 04:04:20 PM »
Well, you may be right. But I will say this: Not all of the Whites neighbors feel that that family is as warm and honorable as you guys on here that are friends with him do.
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