Twisp family denies killing gray wolves - Wenatchee World

[JODakota]

Humanure do you have a girlfriend? Oh and your sheep do not count. Seriously you must not have much of a life for coming on here just to argue.

[mossback91]

What kind of sheep/horse/cattle farm is it that you volunteer on??? Never heard of working ranch needing volunteers.........

[humanure]

It's not a commercial farm. The person who founded this project used to start horses at a young age, ride them at an Olympic level and more. Then moved to WA to continue the work and has built an education program on a non-profit basis, hence the need for volunteering. The sheep is the primary livestock, using 8 way and more crosses of Icelandic and other old style sheep for hardier specimens with greater immune systems and survivability with greater parasite resistance. They are hay and brush fed off the natural landscape, like the deer. Normal sheep can't do that. These sheep are also free of drugs. Completely natural. The cattle is a recent addition. This is small but sufficient for self-sustainability. And this person does this without pay for the purpose of passing down the old, nearly lost ways that he/she was taught. Blade shearing instead of machine shearing. Teaching to brain tan the hides and make yarn out of the wool. All for the selfless purpose of teaching young people.

[mossback91]

Humanure do you have a girlfriend? Oh and your sheep do not count. Seriously you must not have much of a life for coming on here just to argue.

Baaaah means NO humanure!

[humanure]

Well Humanure, you lost credibility with me when you made the post about him not working etc.

I had credibility?!

But like I said, those were not my words. I was just showing you guys what others were saying that was different from your words. Like I said, it was alleged.

[boneaddict]

You did have some credibility with me, like I said, I try to be open minded as much as possible.   You shouldn't propogate negative remarks like that if you don't know these people yourself.

Any answer on the wolf question I asked?

[WAcoyotehunter]

I doubt he's ever seen a wild wolf...few folks here have.  Humanure is a tool, but I do appreciate that his position seems pretty consistant.  I don't mind hearing some different ideas on this site.  In fact, most of the strong anti wolf posts are as off putting to me as the anti hunting stuff.  Ingorance is difficult to mask- on either side of the spectrum.

"volunteer farming" though...you've got to be kidding.  If you live in tha woods (as you proclaim) why the hell would you volunteer your time at someone elses farm???  If you get a minute my stalls could use picked.  I'll teach you how and you can knock yourself out.  Literally.

[humanure]

I've heard the wolves nearby, but never ventured out to find them and clarify, so thats just speculations. Someone who used to be a tracker in Alaska has said to have found tracks, but I have yet to see them near my home. I would hate to think the Weyerhaueser rumor is true, but from the signs that are being found, it's looking more and more likely.

As far as my volunteering goes, I don't live on a farm. All I raise is German Shepherds and chickens. I go to the farm I mentioned because I like the people there, I like to learn and I love to do volunteer work. When i do something not for a monetary gain, I feel pretty damn good about myself. i was a non-caring little *censored* growing up, and made some changes in my life that have been very beneficial to me.

[Machias]

One thing that ticked me off on my drive home tonight Humanure is the idea that because Mrs. White works and makes enough to support the family that somehow it's not a working ranch and therefore the Whites have no right to protect their property.  First off, I have no idea if Mrs. White makes enough money to support the family, congrats if she does, why would that be something to disparage the family?  Secondly they have over 50 head of cattle.  But if they were millonaires and had a single cow, they still have the right to protect what is theirs.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I still do not know if the whites were losing cattle to wolves or not, but I agree that protecting thier property is important whether or not they make a living off it.  Having a working wife is the norm for insurance ect...almost required nowadays.

[humanure]

But they seemingly come off like the wolves were putting them out on the streets, thats what irk's me. yes, property should be protected, when caught in the act. they went out after the wolves and trapped them. they did not kill them while chasing a steer.

[JimmyHoffa]

A few pages back a poster said they identified the problem to WDFW well in advance and over a period of time....and were repeatedly told 'there were no wolves' and offered no guidance/assistance(?) by the WDFW.  I don't know the actual specifics or what was documented, but from that post it sounds like WDFW 'threw them to the wolves'.

[Machias]

But they seemingly come off like the wolves were putting them out on the streets, thats what irk's me. yes, property should be protected, when caught in the act. they went out after the wolves and trapped them. they did not kill them while chasing a steer.

And you know this how?  You've spoken with the Whites, have you?!  They lost cattle, reported it to the Bios, were mocked.  They have about as much a chance catching one in the act of depredation as you do getting a clue, which is really not much of a chance.

[humanure]

Those pictures of them holding the wolves don't look to be on their pastures.

If you kept an eye on your livestock, you would. I've said before as the elders have stated, free-ranging is long gone. it only succeeded after predators were removed because people became too lazy to 'shepherd their flock'. Like I said, there's a sheep ranch in Minnesota between two or three sizable wolf pack, and have experienced little to no predations. Why? They shepherd their flock's and hve livestock guardian dogs that warn them of wolves in their presence.

[Machias]

If you kept an eye on your livestock, you would. I've said before as the elders have stated, free-ranging is long gone. it only succeeded after predators were removed because people became too lazy to 'shepherd their flock'.

You really are absolutely clueless.