Author Topic: Scope: Can not adjust to the right? (Read 11250 times)

Raul Duke · « **on:** July 13, 2011, 08:18:32 AM »

So I'm out trying to set up my new rifel. Rugar M77 .22-250
I got my shot placement where I want it up/down. I just need 8 clicks to the right.
I give it 4 clicks and fire a shot. It hits 4clicks under lmy last shot. .. ? ..
I fire again, same spot. I give it 4 more to the right, and fire.
I hit 4 clicks under my last shot.

I can not get my scope to shoot to the right. Is it broken? Is it time to start shopping for a new scope? or is there a way to "reset" your scope and start over?

addicted · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:33:39 AM »

What kind of scope is it lol?

Have you used these rings before? Maybe they are off, or ruger couldnt get their dovetails straight?

As far as resetting the scope i have read of "centering" a scope, but i don't know if that will help.

Set up the scope in a v-notch and aim it at something. Then turn it 90 degrees and adjust the turret to get it back on track. then 90 degrees again and double check that the scope is still aiming at the target and adjust the appropriate turret. I think this is more for new scopes, not problem scopes.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:33:52 AM »

Either your mount is loose, or the scope internals are damaged/defective. If the mounts check out OK, send the scope in for repair.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:53:28 AM »

sorry, its a Weaver CKT15 Micro-Trac 15x42 scope.
I just was going threw to see if any of the screws where loose, and sure enough. The front base screw moved about a 1/8 of a turn.

Would that be enough to stop it from adjusting to the right?

Raul Duke · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:01:50 AM »

Found this image of the same scope online. Its the scope that came with the rifle I bought. I figured I'd use it for now, until I could upgrade later.

CedarPants · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:09:51 AM »

I knew a kid one time years back that had that same problem after mounting one of his first scopes on his own. Tried adjusting the scope to the right and the point of impact adjusted down. This went on for several days until this kid took the gun to his grandpa to have him fix the scope.

His grandpa rotated the scope 90 degrees to the left and told him to try again. Low and behold the adjustments went where they were supposed to go after that.

This kid grew had a striking resemblence to me. It wasn't me though I swear. Really

Alan K · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:39:44 AM »

Quote from: CedarPants on July 13, 2011, 09:09:51 AM

I knew a kid one time years back that had that same problem after mounting one of his first scopes on his own. Tried adjusting the scope to the right and the point of impact adjusted down. This went on for several days until this kid took the gun to his grandpa to have him fix the scope.

His grandpa rotated the scope 90 degrees to the left and told him to try again. Low and behold the adjustments went where they were supposed to go after that.

This kid grew had a striking resemblence to me. It wasn't me though I swear. Really

Raul Duke · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:41:09 AM »

That did cross my mind as I typed out my first post. As you can see from the picture, this scope can only be mounted one way.

Would that front mount being a hair loose, be enough to throw it off?

Mike450r · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:47:55 AM »

If the loose mount allowed the scope any movement then yes it could cause the shots to be off, a lot off actually.

After tightening the mount try a 3 shot group before making any adjustment. If you group good make your adjustment and give the scope a firm wallop with the heel of your hand to on the opposite side of the windage adjustment. Fire another shot and see how it does.

addicted · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:49:28 AM »

A minox 3-15 would look really nice on that rifle

I'm interested in your next range report.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:58:11 AM »

well the weather looks good out side. I'll have a update today.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:58:34 AM »

Quote from: Raul Duke on July 13, 2011, 08:53:28 AM

sorry, its a Weaver CKT15 Micro-Trac 15x42 scope.
I just was going threw to see if any of the screws where loose, and sure enough. The front base screw moved about a 1/8 of a turn.

Would that be enough to stop it from adjusting to the right?

Yup. If the mounts are not rock solid on the gun, zeroing the scope will not be possible.

Mike450r · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:01:51 AM »

to add to my previous post, adjusting after each shot can get you zeroed just fine, I do it after I know I am grouping good but in your case you need to know you can get a good group first or you may end up chasing bullet holes around the target until you are out of ammo.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:15:09 AM »

I devised a fast, easy way to boresight my guns. Remove the bolt, if a bolt gun, or the bolt from the AR upper. Sandbag the gun on the bench, open the shop door, and sight thru the bore at an object 30 to 50 yards away, like the top of a fencepost, and adjust the scope to the same point. This will get you on paper at 25 yards. I've put rifles dead on at 100 yds. in as few as 5 shots using this method.

Bofire · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:26:23 AM »

:)Did you buy the gun new? Turn your adjustments all the way to one side and up or down, turn all the way back counting the rotations. The go half way back on both to center the adjustments. Look thru the bore and scope as described above. (or use a bore sighter) Is it WAY off? It is posible that the scope mount holes are drilled off center. If that is the case get Leupold mounts, one piece that have the windage adjustment. Use the windage adjustment on the mount for the gross movement and the scope for the fine adjustment. Many times if the holes are off center you can see it, you might try some sort of straight edge for alignment.
Carl

Raul Duke · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:05:45 PM »

I went and fired a few shots. First 2 where with in the same area, then I had one go stay . I might of flinched on that one. 4th was back in the group. Group was about 1.5 apart. Gives me some thing to start from.
There was a few shooting clays up the hill @ 180yrds. Destroyed them

I'm going to get a bore siting tool and another box of ammo. I love this rifle.

FC · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:39:47 PM »

From your first post I would say your scope is rotated 90 degrees off.

MikeWalking · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:58:01 PM »

Quote from: FC on July 13, 2011, 12:39:47 PM

From your first post I would say your scope is rotated 90 degrees off.

Then again sometimes a scope will stick a bit and a few turns wont move anything..especially on a used rifle. A little whap along with an adjustment might help.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:03:32 PM »

I'm going to get a bore siting tool and another box of ammo. I love this rifle.
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A boresighting tool will only get you "on the paper" at 25 yards. It will NOT accurately zero the scope. Only actual shooting will do that.
My method posted earlier does the same thing a boresighting tool will do, but saves me from buying an expensive tool.

MtnMuley · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:18:31 PM »

Weird. Sill sounds like it's 90 degrees out.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:25:18 PM »

Could be...The turret marked "UP--DOWN" should be on top.

FC · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »

Quote from: MikeWalking on July 13, 2011, 12:58:01 PM

Quote from: FC on July 13, 2011, 12:39:47 PM
From your first post I would say your scope is rotated 90 degrees off.

Then again sometimes a scope will stick a bit and a few turns wont move anything..especially on a used rifle. A little whap along with an adjustment might help.

Not when he said he turned the knob to move the shot right 4 clicks and it went down 4 clicks, twice even!

Raul Duke · « **Reply #22 on:** July 15, 2011, 06:23:27 AM »

90degrees off? This is the scope. I'll post pics of it on the rifle if necessary. Unless your referring to the scope being messed up some how. I don't see how this can be mounted wrong , in any way.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2011, 07:30:53 AM »

Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on July 13, 2011, 08:33:52 AM

Either your mount is loose, or the scope internals are damaged/defective. If the mounts check out OK, send the scope in for repair.

That is probably the best answer on here. The very samething happened to me and it was a defective scope. I called Burris, sent it back and was fixed for free.

rgalanti21 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:10:45 PM »

I have a poorly made task scope for messing around on my .300 RUM and it wouldn't go to the right either. I just ended p and messed around with it untl it shot on target, and now it drives tacks into the target at most distances. I would suggest just upgrading the quality of your scope

rgalanti21 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:16:39 PM »

By the way, I am not saying your scope is of bad quality, rather that ifnyou have checked the mounting system, etc, that it might be time for a new scope.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:43:06 AM »

I just want this scope to work for the rest of the year. Got my eyes on a much nicer scope. Just don't want to fork out the cash for it so soon.

JackOfAllTrades · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:58:23 AM »

Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on July 13, 2011, 10:15:09 AM

I devised a fast, easy way to boresight my guns. Remove the bolt, if a bolt gun,

"I devised"

The poor mans bore scope process has been around since the early 60's. I'm not saying that you didn't invent the process.. But...

That said... Raul Duke, When you're adjusting the scope for it to bring point of impact to the right, are you adjusting the screw on the 'right' side of the scope, or the top? It is possible that the scope is assembled incorrectly with the tags for right/left and up/down in the wrong turret. And yes, if the scope is mounted 90 degrees canted left (looking from the rear), then as HereDoggy pointed out, you would get the exact results you are explaning to us. So... That would be a turret on the left and a turret on the top. Normal mounting would be a turret on the top, one on the right. (exept for some of the newer tactical models with dots and such that provide three turrets.)

So... If you can provide photo of the scope mounted, and with the caps off of the turrets so we can see what is stamped there, we might be able to help.

-Steve

Raul Duke · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2011, 08:05:01 AM »

Quote from: JackOfAllTrades on July 22, 2011, 07:58:23 AM

Raul Duke, When you're adjusting the scope for it to bring point of impact to the right, are you adjusting the screw on the 'right' side of the scope, or the top? It is possible that the scope is assembled incorrectly with the tags for right/left and up/down in the wrong turret. And yes, if the scope is mounted 90 degrees canted left (looking from the rear), then as HereDoggy pointed out, you would get the exact results you are explaning to us. So... That would be a turret on the left and a turret on the top. Normal mounting would be a turret on the top, one on the right. (exept for some of the newer tactical models with dots and such that provide three turrets.)

So... If you can provide photo of the scope mounted, and with the caps off of the turrets so we can see what is stamped there, we might be able to help.

-Steve

FC · « **Reply #29 on:** July 24, 2011, 01:04:28 PM »

Well with what you said was happening in your first post your scope is broken assuming that it has been mounted as shown the whole time.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #30 on:** July 24, 2011, 06:45:35 PM »

Yep, its always been mounted how you see it. I went shooting today , and I count hit the side of a hill. I'm threw messing with this scope & rifle.

I'll just hold out for a new scope. Looking at the NIKON Coyote line.

Old Dog · « **Reply #31 on:** July 24, 2011, 07:14:11 PM »

Try using Leupold bases and rings. The rear base allows you to adjust the scope right or left. The cost for bases and rings is about $55, and they are very good.

JackOfAllTrades · « **Reply #32 on:** July 24, 2011, 07:25:44 PM »

Don't buy a new scope. Send that one back to get repaired. Then if you still want something new, buy what you can afford. I like to have things repaired, that way I have a spare.

-Steve

FC · « **Reply #33 on:** July 24, 2011, 07:28:47 PM »

http://www.weaveroptics.com/general/warranty/

Send it in to get fixed, they may cover it under warranty.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #34 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:21:05 AM »

Weaver Service and Support Limited Lifetime Warranty: Weaver warrants this product to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for as long as it is owned by the original owner. Weaver will repair or replace (at Weavers' option) any such defective product when it is returned by the original owner with a copy of the original receipt.

I'll call and ask, but I just picked up this gun about 2 months ago. I'm not the original owner.

FC · « **Reply #35 on:** July 25, 2011, 11:38:57 PM »

Quote from: Raul Duke on July 25, 2011, 06:21:05 AM

I'll call and ask, but I just picked up this gun about 2 months ago. I'm not the original owner.

I saw the stated warranty but asking is still free.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #36 on:** July 28, 2011, 06:24:47 AM »

Just think, if you already sent it in, you'd probably have it back by now. Tell them you lost the receipt.

Heredoggydoggy · « **Reply #37 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:24:15 AM »

Quote from: JackOfAllTrades on July 22, 2011, 07:58:23 AM

Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on July 13, 2011, 10:15:09 AM
I devised a fast, easy way to boresight my guns. Remove the bolt, if a bolt gun,

"I devised"

The poor mans bore scope process has been around since the early 60's. I'm not saying that you didn't invent the process.. But...

-Steve

I never said I invented the method--stumbled on it is probably more accurate. Never fooled with scopes that much until my eyes got too old for iron sights. I just can't see buying an expensive tool to do something so basic.

wsmnut · « **Reply #38 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:53:09 AM »

Old Dog is right on. Try some Leupold standard bases. They allow for some larger windage adjustments. I had to do this on my wife's rifle. It was incorrectly drilled and tapped at the factory.
Also you might experiment withe bases you've got on there. Your pictures only show the left side of the bases, but it might be that the large screws will allow you to adjust.
Move the rear to the right.
Good Luck!

Wsmnut

Raul Duke · « **Reply #39 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:17:15 AM »

Quote from: CAMPMEAT on July 28, 2011, 06:24:47 AM

Just think, if you already sent it in, you'd probably have it back by now. Tell them you lost the receipt.

I saw 2 yotes last night, and thought the same thing.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #40 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Raul Duke on July 28, 2011, 10:17:15 AM

Quote from: CAMPMEAT on July 28, 2011, 06:24:47 AM
Just think, if you already sent it in, you'd probably have it back by now. Tell them you lost the receipt.

I saw 2 yotes last night, and thought the same thing.

I order you to send it in, NOW ! This will keep going on and on and on. Get the experts to fix it.

Raul Duke · « **Reply #41 on:** July 29, 2011, 02:14:36 PM »

Finalley got a chance to talk to a real person @ Weaver. He gave me the number to another place. "IronSites" witch told me they can fix it for $95. I asked for a mailing address, so I can get the ball rolling. Then he tells me "just to let you know, it will be about a 7-8 MONTH turn around time"

*#!!@!!X*X!#%

So, I'll send it in anyway. Just to have a back up. I'll be shopping for a new scope for the mean time.
I'm still considering this one. Nikon Coyote , If anyone has any recommendations. LMK

addicted · « **Reply #42 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:19:25 PM »

"If anyone has any recommendations. LMK"

Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 379$
http://www.eurooptic.com/zeiss-conquest-3-9x40-zplex-reticle-hunting-turrets-matte-black-5214609920.aspx

Meopta Meopro 3-9x42 399$
http://www.eurooptic.com/meopta-meopro-3-9x42-4-riflescope.aspx

Minox z3 3-9x40 299$
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/minox.pl?page=66000

Minox z5 3-15x42 379$-399$
http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/minox.pl?page=66020

Nikon Buckmasters 4-14x40 309$
http://swfa.com/Nikon-45-14x40-Buckmaster-Riflescope-P42256.aspx

Redfield Revo 4-12x40 219$
http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx

Ok, These scopes are likely listed in order of clarity from best to worse. The Zeiss and the meopta might be one of the best deals on the market right now which will get you glass nearly into the heirarchy of excellence at a quarter of the price. The larger magnification models of the zeiss and meopta have target turrets but the price goes up significantly. The Meopta linked has the #4 reticle which is great for low light and longer range because it is both fat and narrow. If you want that reticle on the conquest, add $100

The Minox line is coming up with great stuff and I beleive that their prices will continue to rise just like meopta's have. The Minox and the redfield come with a scope cover.The redfield is the only lupy listed because I feel

it is likely the only lupy line which matches it's cost with performance.

You posted the nikon coyote special. I'm not sure if they have the prostaff glass or the buckmaster glass in those particular models, but if you can get more glass and options for the same price by skipping the camo coating then why not. The Buckmasters are available with all the reticle and paralax options in several power/objective configurations.

These are a few of the scopes i would be intersested in for a coyote rig near the price of the scope you pictured, and all can be had for cheaper at places like www.samplelist.com, ebay, and any other second hand/demo site.

CAMPMEAT · « **Reply #43 on:** July 29, 2011, 11:45:07 PM »

Pentax scopes. I have 3 of them and really like them. I have them on a 300 mag, AR 15 and a Remington 700 22-250. I've got Bushnell's, ATN, Lucid, T/C, Leupold, Millett, Tasco and cheap, cheap scopes on my 22 lr guns. Never any clarity problems except the cheapies (on my 22 lr). I'm kinda likin' those Pentax, very clear and around $200ish if you look hard enough online. I bought mine at www.eabco.com

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