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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #405 on: October 13, 2011, 11:06:32 AM »
Thanks for the info PlateauNDN!  :tup:

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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #406 on: October 13, 2011, 11:11:38 AM »
i guess i ll be thanking the "white guys" as you put it when im hunting for elk this weekend in the blues

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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #407 on: October 13, 2011, 12:26:29 PM »
Seems this discussion got really interesting after I went to bed last night.  Huntbear, North American (Rocky Moutain) elk are native to this area pre-dating the Treaties.  They were decimated beyond recovery by Tribal and Non-Tribal hunters during the late 1800's and reintroduced during the early 1900's.  Roosevelt Elk were not a native species and were introduced into the Western Side of the State.

This last part was what I said you were mistaken on. I mever said you were wrong even though tje last sentance is wrong. Maybe you worded it wrong.

If you read through my post you would see we agreed on everything else.  Other than how many animals there where. Were there elk in the ceded lands of the Yakama Nation? Absolutely.  Were there as many elk there as we have now? Not even close.  All the evidence I have seen and read supports this.

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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #408 on: October 13, 2011, 12:30:36 PM »
Oh yeah an interesting note. I always thought that all elk west of the PCT magically turned into Roosevelt elk.  Not so. Those elk east of I-5 are all Roosevelt rocky mountain mixes. With a heavy dose of rocky mountain in them. If you are hunting Packwood or south rainier or the My Adams wilderness they most likely have very little Roosevelt in them.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #409 on: October 13, 2011, 03:17:27 PM »
well if they relocate them they can relocate them to my back yard... SWEET...  :chuckle:, but like i said before i would rather any huntn that gets to be done should be done by the youth of any type, atleast that way no-one would get their feelings hurt, i know i wouldnt kick up a fuss and my son is no longer a youth  :tup:
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #410 on: October 13, 2011, 08:45:04 PM »
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As I stated previously the Yakama Nation has rights to hunt Hanford and it has been acknowledged by the Department of Energy which oversees the Hanford Site.  They have done their homework when it comes to Tribes in this area and they have spelled it out in their reports regarding hunting on Hanford. 

Here is a direct quote from the D.O.E. from June 15, 2009 to the Law Office of Thomas Zeilamn. 

Page 1-"you requested,...documents regarding any decisions made by the U.S. Deparment of Energy (DOE) to prohibit hunting or trapping of the Rattlesnake Hills Elk Herd within the Fitzner-Eberhart Arid Lands Ecology Reserve at the Hanford Reach National Monument/Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge..."

Page 2-"Weapons Policy-Arid Lands Ecology Reserve (ALE) Controlled Hunt"

Reference is made to your memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1998.  Your memo indicated a possible controlled hunt(s) at the ALE, which would involve weapons (both firearms and bow and arrow) as a means to control the elk herd.  In your memo, you requested that the Safeguards and Security Division revise the no weapons policy for ALE. 

I believe the best approach in this matter would be to not change the current policy addressing weapons but to provide a blanket approval authorizing the possession, transport, and use of weapons on ALE for controlled hunt(s)....and would be contingent on compliance with whatever further parameters that your organization or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service feel are appropriate.

Page 3 to the Director of Safeguards and Security Division.

"It has come to my attention that the landowners adjacent to Hanfords ALE are being visited by the Rattlesnake hills elk herd.  these ranchers contend that these elk are U.S. DOE, Richland Operations Office (RL) elk and that we must control them or eliminate them.  THEY ARE NOT RL's ELK, but are considered property of the State.  We have been watching the number of elk grow over the years and now have about 766 animals.  This is about 500 more than what the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has determined to be an optimum number for this area.  It has been determined that the best policy for control of this herd, which is outstripping the carrying capacity of the land, would be to have a controlled hunt on ALE and adjacent private lands....Hunting could be considered a significant land use change and a review may have to be conducted to satisfy the requirements.  After these actions are complete, WDFW could implement a hunting season for ALE and adjacent landowners."

I don't see how this is read to mean that the tribe "has rights" to hunt Hanford.  I read all of that to mean that we agree to discuss in the future, unless there is much info that has been agreed on I'm not aware of.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #411 on: October 13, 2011, 10:33:31 PM »
Hanford was apart of our ceded land before it became hanford.  In the report DOE states that fact and acknowledges they have to allow the Tribe to exercise their rights on hanford.  The pieces I quoted regarded mostly WDFW being allowed to have some type of controlled hunts or special draws not affecting the Tribes rights.  I can provide some more info. Tomorrow but I don't have the paperwork with me right now.  The only portion DOE has agreed to allow tribal members to hunt is the ALE not anywhere else for security reasons. 
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #412 on: October 17, 2011, 04:43:18 PM »
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.

Just when you think a topic has been laid to rest...Well Maverick you're entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't have replied if you said those very few "Indians" that are the bad apples are the problem and abuse and violate their rights are the problem but you didn't and decided to lump every body together in the same pot. 

Why don't you start from the beginning and read everything and see that this topic has been discussed and debated and you're not the first to make the same exact statement.  Somebody beat you to it.  If you have questions then ask away but read from the beginning and there maybe some answers for you if not then let me know and I will be glad to assist you with finding an answer.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #413 on: October 17, 2011, 06:30:49 PM »
That is if you return his PM, because I asked you questions and I am still awaiting some answers.

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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #414 on: October 17, 2011, 07:17:42 PM »
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #415 on: October 17, 2011, 07:36:21 PM »
Why?

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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #416 on: October 18, 2011, 08:00:19 AM »
That is if you return his PM, because I asked you questions and I am still awaiting some answers.

In his defense he gets a lot of PMs so he may have missed yours. Or he could be researching an answer for you. He doesn't just spout off stuff. He looks for tje facts with the correct cited source. And typically if he can't find tje answer he will find someone who does know the answer. Shoot him the PM again. If its been a few days.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #417 on: October 18, 2011, 08:16:43 AM »
That is if you return his PM, because I asked you questions and I am still awaiting some answers.

Ok Maximus I may have missed your question but I just looked through my messages and I don't see one from you so my question is will you ask again?  Giving you an answer is not a problem if you haven't already noticed or heard so ask if you want an answer.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
« Reply #418 on: October 18, 2011, 02:24:18 PM »
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?

Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.

Subsection (A)  It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:

(2)  Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.

Subsection (C)  This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:

(1)  The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;

This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times.  Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.

If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
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Re: Hanford Bulls
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