Hanford Bulls

[PlateauNDN]

I cheerish my right to hunt and enjoy quallity hunts . I have no problem buying permits and passes and applying for raffle tags it a pay to play world . I'd like to see some of the revenue generated by tribal casinos go to wards game management and not just tribal enforcement . Plat please tell me if I'm wrong in saying that the tribes dont give money to suport the game species . one said that he dosn't hunt reservation or there ceeded land , could you elaborate why not ? I know other tribes do and have had great sucess in managing there herds. why should on demographic group pay to protect there right to hunt and substain the game on state land while the other side just fights for there right to harvest the game ? please forgive my spelling and no i'm not a Marine.

Despite what you hear the casino revenue is not a free for all.  The revenue generated has to have a long-term plan on how it is allocated and if a Tribe is a non-profit they have to budget the money and spend it or they are violating the allocation plan and could put the revenue in jeopardy.  There are Tribes that do contribute to Game Management but you don't hear about it because a lot of Tribes aren't looking for recognition.  Back to casino revenue, most Tribes aren't as fortunate as some when it comes to revenue and all allocation plans are not the same.  The plan has to be negotiated within the Tribe and the State has to have say in it before it goes to the gaming commission and BIA for approvals, in other words a long process before they can spend any of it.  If they don't have a plan they could face big fines and penalties.

[Coastal_native]

Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.

This may be the most offensive and stupidest post in this whole disaster. 

Why is that stupid? Was anything there not true? Can Indians hunt all year? Yes. Is all the hunting grounds they have not good enough so they're trying to hunt hanford too? Yes. Back when they're ancestors hunted all this land did they use guns and drive motor vehicles? No. So if they are going to hunt everywhere all year like they're ancestors then why not do it just like their ancestors ? no guns. Grab a spear or bow and start hiking. The very least they could do is buy a fricken discovery pass. Why are we all paying for everything and they don't have to pay for squat?

Oh Maverick...you perfectionist you.  That first post wasn't quite stupid or offensive enough so you've gone and out done yourself.

Sorry guys, this has been my least favorite tribal thread.  I thought I'd throw in some inflammatory language for comic relief.  Playful banter was never my strong suite...just thought I'd give it a try. Plat, you sure have made it easier for me to sit back and enjoy some of the funner topics of Hunt Wa...I thank you for that. 

I'm trying to refrain from hitting the post button....ergggghhh...awwwww....I can't do it.

[coachcw]

Plat , thanks for the post helping to clarify it for me . I know that the mucks get tags in the yakima area and that there casinos do quite well my point is there should be give and take . I know a lot of white hunters spend money at the casnios so it would still be white mans money  I know that there's many walls built between both sides and also believe to protect everyones hunting tribal and non we need to come together. Can I intrest you in some wolf hunting 

[Yak-NDN]

Plat , thanks for the post helping to clarify it for me . I know that the mucks get tags in the yakima area and that there casinos do quite well my point is there should be give and take . I know a lot of white hunters spend money at the casnios so it would still be white mans money  I know that there's many walls built between both sides and also believe to protect everyones hunting tribal and non we need to come together. Can I intrest you in some wolf hunting 

Im in.

[trophyhunt]

The very bottom line is, what the tribes get to do when it comes hunting and fishing is WRONG. Just plain wrong, and this year the yak's are writing themselves 42 permits to kill bighorn sheep! C'mon does that make any sense to you indian's?  What most of you do with exception of a very few should be posted on the evening news, which in this state will never happen. I talked with 2 indians in Idaho hunting elk this past week and they both had tags from the state and were hunting our season, wow. I found myself having the up most respect for them, giving the hunting (poaching) they could be doing and choosing not to. YOUR NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD! You think you deserve special rights, YOU DON'T.  I hope you guys kill the biggest bulls in hanford, all the sheep on the mountain and draw enough attention to make the evening news. That would be sweet. I'm not being rude so don't ban me please.

[PlateauNDN]

Plat , thanks for the post helping to clarify it for me . I know that the mucks get tags in the yakima area and that there casinos do quite well my point is there should be give and take . I know a lot of white hunters spend money at the casnios so it would still be white mans money  I know that there's many walls built between both sides and also believe to protect everyones hunting tribal and non we need to come together. Can I intrest you in some wolf hunting 

That thought has crossed my mind a few times on putting in for a wolf tag in ID. or MT.  Wolf hunting legally in this area probably won't happen for awhile and I have been wanting a wolf pelt.

[Yak-NDN]

The very bottom line is, what the tribes get to do when it comes hunting and fishing is WRONG. Just plain wrong, and this year the yak's are writing themselves 42 permits to kill bighorn sheep! C'mon does that make any sense to you indian's?  What most of you do with exception of a very few should be posted on the evening news, which in this state will never happen. I talked with 2 indians in Idaho hunting elk this past week and they both had tags from the state and were hunting our season, wow. I found myself having the up most respect for them, giving the hunting (poaching) they could be doing and choosing not to. YOUR NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD! You think you deserve special rights, YOU DON'T.  I hope you guys kill the biggest bulls in hanford, all the sheep on the mountain and draw enough attention to make the evening news. That would be sweet. I'm not being rude so don't ban me please.

You should talk to the state fish and game because to my understanding the Tribe works with the state on the sheep tags and decides how many in what areas the Tribe can kill. Maybe Plat can look into that for us.
     And our rites have nothing to do with being special, Our people retained our rite to continue to hunt and fish our usual and accustom areas, We probably well kill the biggest bulls and all the sheep on the mountain i hope we don't but at that time we probably well be forced to use tags but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad. We have not learned from your mistakes by killing all the buffalo, Elk, Sheep, Antelope, salmon, pretty much anything that has not been regulated at one time you non Tribal people have decimated. So don't come on here and say its not fair or if you had unregulated hunting you wouldn't over do it, you had unregulated hunting at one point and your past shows the truth. You even tried to decimate the Indian people and were not able to do that so your ancestors made the Treaty's.

 

[TheHunt]

I have read all 31 pages of this thread.  I learned a lot and never figured this thead to last this long.  It seemed our four fathers should have written the treates to primative weapons of the time of the treaty.  But I do think that with more and more internet connectiveness and context ware computing the actions of the tribes will be documented.  At that point there will be a higher visibility of the tribe members thus a change could take place. 

[Yak-NDN]

What it well come down to is the State and the Tribe are going to sit down and say what amount of animals should be harvested in each unit and they are going to look at the bolt decision and say ok Tribe you get half State you get half. That means more animals for the Tribes than they get now and less for the State. And you need to deduct the ones for the wolf's so that is less for the State and the Tribe but that number would still be more for the Tribe's than they harvest now. Then the sportsman are going to throw a fit and the state is going to close a majority of the hunting units down for Tribal hunting and access only for our safety till we are done just like they close Drano for fishing now.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad.

Not to 
But the Yakima herd has been REDUCED from a high of 13.000-14,000 to currently 9,000-10,000
I am not blaming anyone other than the WDFW, as that is their "Objective" but come on, how about a little "fact checking"

"The Yakima bull ratio continues to be within objective,
but had been declining . In 2010, a low
harvest resulted in relatively high numbers of yearling
bulls on the winter range, reversing the trend."

Hooray ! for the spike hunters, but what happened to the "Mature" Bulls ? 

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I'll climb back under my rock now... 

[colockumelk]

I read, write and review contracts and also make sure the contract is being complied with. 

U must not bee good at your job. Beekuzz U R a Marine and we all no Marines cant reed or rite good.   

Oh come on really.  Not even one response or reaction? Not even one comeback or snide remark?  I gave it my best, that was my A game right there and I failed. Guess I'll go away and let this thread run its course.

[Chiefbigbul]

Well said Yakndn, in the history of our people we have never disrespected the land and the animals.  All of our animals were decimated for their furs and to leave our ancestors with nothing to harvest, But all i hear is people saying we kill animals to sell their antlers.  What I do know any experienced hunter on the reservation hate the Antler buyers.  Because it's not the hunter who sells the antlers, when the buyer comes to town you get thieves and they steal your antlers and sell them.  Then it comes to the Funerals, the non-native don't realize that we have to have elk and deer meat at every funeral when we put our people to rest.  It's just Ignorance.  I take about 3-5 bulls a year (I have a large family) I respect our animals and use every part of my animal and we as Natives take care of our meat and we don't eat beef because this is the way we were raised.  But to all the Non-Natives it is the inexperienced hunter who does these things.  And me, i believe in the Treaty with all my heart, and if we stop living by it, it will be gone.  It the strongest Treaty in the USA, I hear non-natives reciting the Treaty articles in this thread, the articles are not the strongest part of the treaty it's the 84 pages of notes that win the court cases.  The Articles are just an overview of the notes.  But all in all I respect the non-natives view on things also, because I have been hunting and seen a big bull driving by me in another truck and us as hunters it eats us up inside.  Our jealous side really comes out and I understand that.  But I enjoy watching non natives hunt cause you really appreciate you animals and you love what your doing and I share your heart when it comes to hunting...  But again good words yakndn, and No disrespect to Plateau no matter what docs or research you find on the internet pertaining to the Yakama Nation, The Treaty of 1855 is the law of the land.  Read the treaty notes and the articles. 

[trophyhunt]

The very bottom line is, what the tribes get to do when it comes hunting and fishing is WRONG. Just plain wrong, and this year the yak's are writing themselves 42 permits to kill bighorn sheep! C'mon does that make any sense to you indian's?  What most of you do with exception of a very few should be posted on the evening news, which in this state will never happen. I talked with 2 indians in Idaho hunting elk this past week and they both had tags from the state and were hunting our season, wow. I found myself having the up most respect for them, giving the hunting (poaching) they could be doing and choosing not to. YOUR NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD! You think you deserve special rights, YOU DON'T.  I hope you guys kill the biggest bulls in hanford, all the sheep on the mountain and draw enough attention to make the evening news. That would be sweet. I'm not being rude so don't ban me please.

You should talk to the state fish and game because to my understanding the Tribe works with the state on the sheep tags and decides how many in what areas the Tribe can kill. Maybe Plat can look into that for us.
     And our rites have nothing to do with being special, Our people retained our rite to continue to hunt and fish our usual and accustom areas, We probably well kill the biggest bulls and all the sheep on the mountain i hope we don't but at that time we probably well be forced to use tags but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad. We have not learned from your mistakes by killing all the buffalo, Elk, Sheep, Antelope, salmon, pretty much anything that has not been regulated at one time you non Tribal people have decimated. So don't come on here and say its not fair or if you had unregulated hunting you wouldn't over do it, you had unregulated hunting at one point and your past shows the truth. You even tried to decimate the Indian people and were not able to do that so your ancestors made the Treaty's.

I'm not a historian or do I know the facts on why the buffalo and other animals were decimated but I think one reason had to do with war and we were trying to take the indian food source away. I might be wrong with that but either way, that was then. Us non indians have conformed to the way's that work in today's life, we have become educated and know what happens when you take more than you should....Waste.  And frankly the only reason we didn't wipe out the tribes back then was because you were defeated, if your ancestor's would have kept fighting then I believe you would have been wiped out and we wouldn't be talking right now. I'll keep my comment about that to myself. 

[trophyhunt]

in the history of our people we have never disrespected the land and the animals.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Really have you driven by most reservations lately? You know the truth about wasting animals and how the land is treated on your reservations.

[jackelope]

  Then it comes to the Funerals, the non-native don't realize that we have to have elk and deer meat at every funeral when we put our people to rest.  It's just Ignorance.  I take about 3-5 bulls a year (I have a large family) I respect our animals and use every part of my animal and we as Natives take care of our meat and we don't eat beef because this is the way we were raised.  But to all the Non-Natives it is the inexperienced hunter who does these things. 

Why don't you kill 3-5 cows a year? Why bulls? Does the meat at your funerals have to be from bucks and bulls or can it be from does and cows?
Honest questions, not trying to bash. I think that is the big question with a lot of us. It is with me anyway.
Thanks