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Early early season elk tactics
« on: July 24, 2011, 07:36:31 AM »
Seeing as how some of us have archery hunts that start September 1st I'm wondering how much my tactics should differ from those I'd use whilst hunting spikes starting Sept 6th. Granted the rut isn't moving at breakneck speed at the beginning of September... I'm wondering if my calling should still be as aggressive early in the season as it is later in the season or if I should rely on more of a spot and stalk method.
As a side note, or more of a theory, I'm thinking that bigger (giant) bulls may be easier to call in early in the season when they first start looking for cows and before they have a herem. I wouldn't plan on bugling too much...maybe small bugles and lots of cow calls.
I spent two days last year towards the end of the season chasing a very very large bull who had a lot of cows I never heard him utter a peep the whole time. On the other hand I've heard bugles from big bulls on opening day of the general season when they didn't have any cows.
Any input/advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 08:10:25 AM »
I hunted Malaga first week of september and both big bulls I saw had quite large harems.  One of the herds spooked when I cow called, the other let me get right into the middle of them with an occasional lost calf call...till a wandering cow told them I was there.  The bulls were calling sporadically, but didn't seem to respond as much as I've seen them do in the 3rd week of September west of Yakima.

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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 08:17:16 AM »
This is always the question that comes up at the start of the season.  I think it really depends on a lot of factors.  Weather, temperatures, pressure, are they all herded up, are they talking much??  These are all questions I look at before the 6th.  Usually where I hunt it doesn't seem like the rut is up and running much until 5 or 6 days into the season.  So I generally take a less aggressive approach to my hunting.  I use a lot of lost cow/calf calls, some spike/cow bugles etc.  This tactic seems to have worked in the past.  The last two years however it seemed like they were further into the rut earlier so I have been using your more traditional locater bugles and such. 
« Last Edit: July 24, 2011, 11:11:39 AM by Recurve-Elk »

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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 10:10:37 AM »
During this stage they should be at the tail end of "posturing"  that is they will hear a bugle and come in to investigate and see who this bull is to put a "face to the voice" per say.  That way when the rut comes they know who is who.  You will be a new "voice" so bulls will come to investigate. 

I would use a simple locator bugle.  Call sporadically saying "hey is anyone out there I'm looking for some company"  once you get a response move as quick as you can to get in close to him.  Once you're in close.  Some cow calls and light chuckles "aka a small herd scenario" should work pretty good.  A decoy wil help out alot as well. 
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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 10:58:28 AM »
I always hear from other hunters that "they are not rutting yet", or "they are not being vocal" and 100's of other reasons they cannot find/hear elk.
Yet, every year I hear Cows talking, Bulls bugling, squealing, grunting, chuckling, etc...
Sometimes it takes a few days to find them, but I always get into Elk that are talking.
If you went out and hung around a herd of Elk,  NOW, you would hear them talking to each other, probably even hear a few bugles, so there really is no such thing as "too early"
You just need to understand why they talk, it has more to do with interaction among the herd than attempting to advertise their position.
They talk to each other, not to other elk in the distance.
You probably wont hear them unless you are close, they are mostly in "family groups" right now, bulls in Bachelor herds, cows with their calves, so communication is like you talking to your family, not yelling at the neighbors.
Most hunters try to categorize the stage of the rut and if it has started late or early and when they think it will end. This is most often blamed on weather and sometimes moon phase.

Weather, temperature, and moon phase have nothing to do with the start, end, or what stage the of the rut the elk are in. Cows determine when and where the rut takes place, a cow is receptive for mating less than 24 hours. Some cows start coming into heat in late August and will come into heat every from19 to 25 days until bred, up to 3 or 4 times, but most cows become pregnant during the first or second cycle.
It's my belief that weather, temperature, and moon light only effect what time of day the elk are most active. It's my opinion that a bull on on any day in September with 80 degree weather is wanting to breed with a cow every bit as much as bull that on the same date is in 40 degree weather. I do believe the bull in 80 degree temps will not be bugling his head off, chasing cows, and fighting other bulls. His survival instincts and other biological processes tell him to sit under a tree and stay cool. He will simply wait until temps cool (at night) and get on with the business of mating at that point. Same with the cows.

 Yes you will have to change your tactics and from the hunters point of view it may appear that the rut is "slow", or "late", or what ever when the weather is warm or the moon is out but I believe the rut is still on as much as if the weather is cool. The elk are just active more at night when we have our heads on our pillows dreaming about chasing them. Point is if you wait until the weather cools for different hunting conditions.....I get that it makes sense because elk will be more active during hunting hours and more responsive to calls. But on the other hand I don't think weather, temps, and moon light have ANY affect on the TIMING of the rut or the intensity of it.

IMO they are rutting from end of August to end of October and the peak is in mid to late September period. Weather only dictates hunting conditions NOT rut stages.

The first week of September things are getting rolling, to explain by an example you might understand, lets put it in "Night Club" terms......
Early in the evening, people start showing up....(mid August)
As more show up, those eager to "hook up" might do so, but there are still only a few....(Late August)
Now there are more, the band is warming up and the party is starting to get going, (Early September)
The band is rocking, and everyone is dancing and having a good time, partners have been chosen, (mid to late September)
Now the band is playing their last set, those with partners are "busy", those without are getting desperate (late September, early October)
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my opinion on when it is "peak Rut", or when you hear the most bugling
Then the club closes, everyone moves to the parking lot in a last minute attempt to (well you know) the "hangers on" and "after hours partiers" try to keep it going, but there are only a few left (mid October-November)

So for the first week of September, as colockumelk suggested, you dont try to be too aggressive, just act like you are an elk (or small herd), or use lost calf/cow, something that just says "here I am !, I am lonely !, where are you ?"
Get out of your sleeping bag, or whatever, and hit the woods early, get away from roads (I try to get up on ridges) and  stay until dark.
I even take a walk at night sometimes, getting in as far as I can before daylight, (again I try to get to ridgeline) You would be amazed at how many times I hear them at night.
If you find Elk, or good Elk sign, give your set-ups AT LEAST 45 minutes, lots of times Elk will just wander your way, taking their time, if you are not there,..........
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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 01:20:37 PM »
Stiksnstring let's see your bulls? I agree with you but you have to read each herd and every bull. They can be in different phases of the rut.

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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 01:32:34 PM »
Couldnt agree with Stiksnstring more.  He summed it up perfectly.  And like he said the people who say that the elk are "not bugling" this year are not where the elk are. Or should go listen at about midnight when the moon is up.  It seems like the last 3 years people have blamed the weather or the moon on the "lack of a rut" both of which have 0% effect on when the rut happens.
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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 07:14:48 PM »
Edited:  (took this post off) lol.  Got myself all confused  :bash:

Ill just say that I still think the rut is somewhat impeded due to environmental conditions.  Sure they may have the chemicals flowing, but they can be constricted due to weather and such.
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Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 08:12:25 PM »
They say the cows go in heat based on moon/daylight in the days.

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Re: Early early season elk tactics
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 02:02:35 AM »
I really dont think there is any ryme or reason to it.  The calves are usually born the same time every year...therefore the rut takes place the same time every year.  Just gotta be in the right place at the right time!  As far as "tactics" go, i always try to cow call first.  If that doesnt work i bugle.  When i bugle I usually like to sound like a smaller bull...but sometimes you just gotta act like a boss and piss the bulls off to get things going.  Ive had more luck calling bulls in off of bugling than straight cow calling, especially if the bull has cows...hes gotta show his dominance for the ladies. 

 


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