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I agree Bearpaw, in fact, you are bascially stating what I said when I actually went on line and filled out comments. The idea of throwing entire game units open to the taking of 6 birds in an attempt to quell site specific landowner complaints is not good management. I suspect many of these complaints come from landowners who allow no or limtied access or are bordered by landowners who allow no access. What is happening is the birds that live on public or landowner accessible property get hammered, and the problem birds go on being problem birds. Extending the season to allow deer hunters to even further hammer these birds is just plain crazy!! Not that they'll listen, but I did bascially parrot your ideas and I hope others will get on line and do the same.
Nice job Cedarpants!!-glad to hear they're hearing from us both at the meetings and online. I did'nt know they kept that list either, I'll be interested in seeing it.
One can equate WDFW's lack of hands on management such as trap and transfer and relocation of birds as a toilet backing up in regards to turkeys. Never was a problem in the 90's when birds were actively trapped when there was a problem and relocated to other areas in various counties were both sportsmen and entities like timber companies were anxiously awaiting their release.Change of management starting in late 1999, whereas we don't want to release turkeys in any area, whether turkeys are present or not because we're to freaking stupid to know what negatives might happen. Truth is wildlife management staff hates turkeys, always has, and this was nothing more than a ploy to end turkey releases period. Then the back up occurred, and landowners who were once satisfied with the trap and transfer were not left with no recourse other than complain as numbers increased. Prefect scenario for WDFW as now they promote the liberal killing of birds.This is just one example of how WDFW manages our resource. It's all on paper for the most part. Always has been and always will with the "I don't get my hands dirty" biologist mind set. Had a great, no we had a state of the art program in the 90's with staff in the field with equipment working with landowners, and it scared the holy crap out of the go to meeting types. They had been saying for years we couldn't do things for one reason or another and now along comes a unique approach and program that proved them wrong. They...wildlife management took it over through reorganization and dismantled it. Excused it away...no money or whatever fit. It how everything is run at WDFW in general. There are some bright spots, but few in number. They think wolves are a success story...tell you anything.Sorry for the rant....should avoid reading these threads...just pisses me off to no end the amount of stupidity inside the NRB!
think wolves are a success story...tell you anything.
More people would participate in turkey hunts if it didn't cost 17 bucks a piece to shoot one, not including a small game license. As for the number of birds, i hunt two different gmu's and numbers were great in both this spring and fall. If farmers and landowners "hate" turkeys, they need to SHOOT them. You blast enough of them and they won't come back.
Definitely a double Yeah that for Wac. Comments. The state finds it easier to just write more predation tags than to wrok with anyone within the state for the betterment of Turkeys. Their stance is they're non Native and a pest. The gentleman that may take over the upland dept has benn quoted that he feels turkeys are to blame for the reduction of grouse numbers in the NE. That being said most if not all of you on here know how factless that basis is. So this is what we're going to continue to be fighting. I've also heard form a good source of mine at the WDFW that they will also open a fall season in the Teanaway unit. So I for see the same problem happening there. Forcing more birds to private land and increasing the complaints there too. I think we as Turkey enthusiast are in for some rougher waters in the future. Hopefull we can stand strong together and fight this.
I like #4
And when you talk to these "experts", they already have in their mind what they want to do no matter what anyone else recommends or can prove ....