Meeting this weekend (Yakima and Muckleshoot hunting rights in Oak Creek area)

[ribka]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.


Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.

They are never prosecuted or fined

I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are.  Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.

Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?

Where is the honor in that?

I wish the tribes had more members like Coastal

[CamoDup]

...and plateauNDN! 

[bigtex]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute.

WDFW will not seek prosecution because they CAN'T!

People need to understand that when a tribal member is in their legal hunting and fishing areas the only laws that apply to them is tribal. Even if that person is violating tribal laws all a WDFW Officer can do is type up a report and give it to the tribe, it is then up to the tribe to decide what they want to do.

When a tribal member is outside of their legal areas WDFW can seek prosecution just like any other citizen.

[liljozie495]

well they better hire a trash crew up there if the mucks get land rights, sense they got land rights around here i see alot more beer cans in the woods... i dont see why the mucks are getting rights over there anyways, they got all the rights of hancock land over here they pay a fraction of what us well...non native people pay, we pay like 250-300 to get gate keys to hunt...they pay like 20 dolla... i just dont see why they feel they need to take over etc.

[ribka]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute.

WDFW will not seek prosecution because they CAN'T!

People need to understand that when a tribal member is in their legal hunting and fishing areas the only laws that apply to them is tribal. Even if that person is violating tribal laws all a WDFW Officer can do is type up a report and give it to the tribe, it is then up to the tribe to decide what they want to do.

When a tribal member is outside of their legal areas WDFW can seek prosecution just like any other citizen.

A little puzzled.
WDFW cannot enforce tribal hunting on posted, private land, spot lighting and wasting game at night?

Not being a smart ass just trying to understand the WDFW and level of their jurisdiction pertaining tribal members

My experience and this is based upon multiple violations by tribal members is the Tribal LEO's will not prosecute their own for almost any crime. Maybe this can be attributed to their culture, relations of offenders to tribal council members, tribal vs state politics  etc, etc??

[colockumelk]

I have a serious question that maybe someone like plateau or coastal can answer for me. Since the tribes are entitled to 50% of the harvests. Shouldn't they then have to pay half the costs of maintaiming those resources? Why is the wdfw and US Americans paying all of it.

Nothing huh??/

[Coastal_native]

I have a serious question that maybe someone like plateau or coastal can answer for me. Since the tribes are entitled to 50% of the harvests. Shouldn't they then have to pay half the costs of maintaiming those resources? Why is the wdfw and US Americans paying all of it.

Nothing huh??/

C'mon Colockum give me a chance, I didn't even see this thread

You'd be very surprised at how much money tribes spend on wildlife management out on the OP.  You see tribes and WDFW collaborating and sharing resources to conduct population work and research quite a bit.  A lot of it is federal and grant money, but look at it this way...if it's federal money, it's our tax money and it's going to manage wildlife in areas that we both hunt.  I'll find you the reference to a new study that shows that when tribes receive money for fish and wildlife mgmt that they put it to better use than other agencies.  It goes in to conducting actual work, instead of bureaucratic administrative growth.  I would guess that some tribes spend more $/sq mile of mgmt area than other agencies.

[colockumelk]

I don't believe you.  State and federal agencies mismanaging money.  YOU TAKE THAT BACK I DON'T BELIEVE IT   I meant all the tribes.  The tribes east of the PCT don't do what your side of the Mts contributes. A good example of cooperation is that the the entire South Rainier elk herd study and managment plan was done by the Puyallup Tribal BIOS.  But I doubttje tribes pay half the states management.  It was more of a hypothetical question to say if the tribes get 50% of the resources they should get 50% of the bill to maintain those resources.

[colockumelk]

Did you get anything. You know tje deal no pics or story means it didnt happen 

[Coastal_native]

You didn't see my post in the "other big game" section.  I'll get to elk stories later.  Right now I'm trying to dig up facts for you...unfortunately...I don't have any.  All I have are more long winded posts loaded with conjecture.  Are you hunting? or are you somewhere on the east coast wearing a turtle neck drinking white wine?

[bigtex]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute.

WDFW will not seek prosecution because they CAN'T!

People need to understand that when a tribal member is in their legal hunting and fishing areas the only laws that apply to them is tribal. Even if that person is violating tribal laws all a WDFW Officer can do is type up a report and give it to the tribe, it is then up to the tribe to decide what they want to do.

When a tribal member is outside of their legal areas WDFW can seek prosecution just like any other citizen.

A little puzzled.
WDFW cannot enforce tribal hunting on posted, private land, spot lighting and wasting game at night?

Not being a smart ass just trying to understand the WDFW and level of their jurisdiction pertaining tribal members

Let me clarify myself. When I said tribal members in their legal hunting area I am referring to the lands defined as "open and unclaimed". So when a tribal member enters private property that is posted and appears to be claimed then they follow under the jurisdiction of WDFW.

But if a tribal member is on "open and unclaimed" land such as a national forest or DNR/WDFW lands within their treaty hunting areas then WDFW has no jurisdiction over tribal violations. So if a tribal member is within their treaty area, shoots an elk while spotlighting and doesn't retrieve the animal, all WDFW can do is write a report and send it to the tribe.

[Jerbear]

Coastal, your description cracks me up.  Don't have to go to the east coast.  The sandal wearing, coffee drinking tree huggers from Seattle, are our big concern.  They love to see us go at each other.

[PlateauNDN]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.


Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.

They are never prosecuted or fined

I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are.  Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.

Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?

Where is the honor in that?

I wish the tribes had more members like Coastal

Ribka, I've stated it here before and I'll state it again, if you see something take the info. down and if you don't want to report it then give it to me and I will report it.  Document everything you can and don't bother them because that's a good way of escalating a siutation that can be avoided.  The situation you described I already addressed here and I'm not quite sure which post it was but it was a few months ago now. 

The Yakama was prosecuted in Tribal Court and last I heard he was barred of his hunting rights but not sure for how long and the other gentleman was Colville and he was turned over to the County Prosecutor.  If they look Indian question their motives because nobody except Yakama's have rights east of the Cascades.

I also mentioned before the Tribal Police had turned over a couple of non-members that were caught poaching and although they may have been descendants they were not enrolled members so jurisdiction fell to the County and last time I was there they were facing some jail time and loss of hunting rights.

So to say "we" the Yakamas don't prosecute is a little bit immature and I can't speak for any other Tribe but I'm sure there are some bad apples that get away because nobody reports them.  You don't want to do it then give it to me and I will be glad to do it.

Colockum, I agree with your statement about paying our portion.  I know with fish we are paying a big portion but as far as big game we are not paying anything outside of the Rez and I think we should be doing more.  It all falls back to politics within the Tribe.  You have some that push the agendas of those that have paid for them to be in a position that allows them to govern what is best for the Tribe and what is not and then you have those that push their own agendas for the betterment of themselves and then you have the very few that are actually for the people but don't realistically have any power because of the majority swaying all the power their way.

Until a strong leader can be put in place we are not going to have much change if at all for quite a while and it sucks because we are capable of a lot but with the power struggle in place there is not a whole lot that can be done.  I'll be there this fall to vote but again one vote can't do a whole lot when you have 50 that were bought and paid for by the opposition.

Them sandal and turtleneck wearing, wine sipping tree huggers love it when we're constantly at it because it gives them pleasure seeing others fighting and not them. 

Sorry I rang in a little late but if you needed an expedited answer you could've shot me a PM Colockum and said check this thread and I could've jumped online for a few minutes and helped out Coastal, even though he provided some good input.

[ribka]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.


Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.

They are never prosecuted or fined

I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are.  Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.

Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?

Where is the honor in that?

I wish the tribes had more members like Coastal

Ribka, I've stated it here before and I'll state it again, if you see something take the info. down and if you don't want to report it then give it to me and I will report it.  Document everything you can and don't bother them because that's a good way of escalating a siutation that can be avoided.  The situation you described I already addressed here and I'm not quite sure which post it was but it was a few months ago now. 

The Yakama was prosecuted in Tribal Court and last I heard he was barred of his hunting rights but not sure for how long and the other gentleman was Colville and he was turned over to the County Prosecutor.  If they look Indian question their motives because nobody except Yakama's have rights east of the Cascades.

I also mentioned before the Tribal Police had turned over a couple of non-members that were caught poaching and although they may have been descendants they were not enrolled members so jurisdiction fell to the County and last time I was there they were facing some jail time and loss of hunting rights.

So to say "we" the Yakamas don't prosecute is a little bit immature and I can't speak for any other Tribe but I'm sure there are some bad apples that get away because nobody reports them.  You don't want to do it then give it to me and I will be glad to do it.

Colockum, I agree with your statement about paying our portion.  I know with fish we are paying a big portion but as far as big game we are not paying anything outside of the Rez and I think we should be doing more.  It all falls back to politics within the Tribe.  You have some that push the agendas of those that have paid for them to be in a position that allows them to govern what is best for the Tribe and what is not and then you have those that push their own agendas for the betterment of themselves and then you have the very few that are actually for the people but don't realistically have any power because of the majority swaying all the power their way.

Until a strong leader can be put in place we are not going to have much change if at all for quite a while and it sucks because we are capable of a lot but with the power struggle in place there is not a whole lot that can be done.  I'll be there this fall to vote but again one vote can't do a whole lot when you have 50 that were bought and paid for by the opposition.

Them sandal and turtleneck wearing, wine sipping tree huggers love it when we're constantly at it because it gives them pleasure seeing others fighting and not them. 

Sorry I rang in a little late but if you needed an expedited answer you could've shot me a PM Colockum and said check this thread and I could've jumped online for a few minutes and helped out Coastal, even though he provided some good input.

Thanks for your response and the info. I swear I saw one of them ( 22 mag) up in the area last week road hunting that is why I posted. I wish your tribe all the best for a strong leader

I think most on here do not have major issues with tribal hunting as long as it is performed in a responsible manner. By responsible I mean no shooting at feed stations, wintering grounds from vehicles, spot lighting and shooting on private property.

 I run into tribal members up near where I live and they ask me where to find an elk for ceremonial purposes and I show tell them where they can find elk  away from the roads and usually within a 1/2 mile from the road. Unfortunately almost all have responded they want to shoot from their vehicles. I will continue to help if asked but always direct away from developed roads. 

Appreciate  input from you and Coastal. You two really help keep  the tribal hunting dialogue civil and I always learn something new from you two

[colockumelk]

You didn't see my post in the "other big game" section.  I'll get to elk stories later.  Right now I'm trying to dig up facts for you...unfortunately...I don't have any.  All I have are more long winded posts loaded with conjecture.  Are you hunting? or are you somewhere on the east coast wearing a turtle neck drinking white wine?

Ill have to look it up. No need to dig up facts. I know western tribes do help out alot. Now only if the eastern ones would follow your lead. As far as the turtle neck goes I prefer a dark blue one and red wine.  But tomorrow I'm flying out to WA to go hunt for 10 days.