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Quote from: PlateauNDN on September 12, 2011, 08:55:56 AMQuote from: ribka on September 11, 2011, 09:31:43 AMQuote from: norsepeak on September 02, 2011, 02:41:55 PMaccording to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them. The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.They are never prosecuted or fined I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are. Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?Where is the honor in that?I wish the tribes had more members like CoastalRibka, I've stated it here before and I'll state it again, if you see something take the info. down and if you don't want to report it then give it to me and I will report it. Document everything you can and don't bother them because that's a good way of escalating a siutation that can be avoided. The situation you described I already addressed here and I'm not quite sure which post it was but it was a few months ago now. The Yakama was prosecuted in Tribal Court and last I heard he was barred of his hunting rights but not sure for how long and the other gentleman was Colville and he was turned over to the County Prosecutor. If they look Indian question their motives because nobody except Yakama's have rights east of the Cascades.I also mentioned before the Tribal Police had turned over a couple of non-members that were caught poaching and although they may have been descendants they were not enrolled members so jurisdiction fell to the County and last time I was there they were facing some jail time and loss of hunting rights.So to say "we" the Yakamas don't prosecute is a little bit immature and I can't speak for any other Tribe but I'm sure there are some bad apples that get away because nobody reports them. You don't want to do it then give it to me and I will be glad to do it.Colockum, I agree with your statement about paying our portion. I know with fish we are paying a big portion but as far as big game we are not paying anything outside of the Rez and I think we should be doing more. It all falls back to politics within the Tribe. You have some that push the agendas of those that have paid for them to be in a position that allows them to govern what is best for the Tribe and what is not and then you have those that push their own agendas for the betterment of themselves and then you have the very few that are actually for the people but don't realistically have any power because of the majority swaying all the power their way.Until a strong leader can be put in place we are not going to have much change if at all for quite a while and it sucks because we are capable of a lot but with the power struggle in place there is not a whole lot that can be done. I'll be there this fall to vote but again one vote can't do a whole lot when you have 50 that were bought and paid for by the opposition.Them sandal and turtleneck wearing, wine sipping tree huggers love it when we're constantly at it because it gives them pleasure seeing others fighting and not them. Sorry I rang in a little late but if you needed an expedited answer you could've shot me a PM Colockum and said check this thread and I could've jumped online for a few minutes and helped out Coastal, even though he provided some good input.Thanks for your response and the info. I swear I saw one of them ( 22 mag) up in the area last week road hunting that is why I posted. I wish your tribe all the best for a strong leaderI think most on here do not have major issues with tribal hunting as long as it is performed in a responsible manner. By responsible I mean no shooting at feed stations, wintering grounds from vehicles, spot lighting and shooting on private property. I run into tribal members up near where I live and they ask me where to find an elk for ceremonial purposes and I show tell them where they can find elk away from the roads and usually within a 1/2 mile from the road. Unfortunately almost all have responded they want to shoot from their vehicles. I will continue to help if asked but always direct away from developed roads. Appreciate input from you and Coastal. You two really help keep the tribal hunting dialogue civil and I always learn something new from you two
Quote from: ribka on September 11, 2011, 09:31:43 AMQuote from: norsepeak on September 02, 2011, 02:41:55 PMaccording to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them. The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.They are never prosecuted or fined I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are. Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?Where is the honor in that?I wish the tribes had more members like CoastalRibka, I've stated it here before and I'll state it again, if you see something take the info. down and if you don't want to report it then give it to me and I will report it. Document everything you can and don't bother them because that's a good way of escalating a siutation that can be avoided. The situation you described I already addressed here and I'm not quite sure which post it was but it was a few months ago now. The Yakama was prosecuted in Tribal Court and last I heard he was barred of his hunting rights but not sure for how long and the other gentleman was Colville and he was turned over to the County Prosecutor. If they look Indian question their motives because nobody except Yakama's have rights east of the Cascades.I also mentioned before the Tribal Police had turned over a couple of non-members that were caught poaching and although they may have been descendants they were not enrolled members so jurisdiction fell to the County and last time I was there they were facing some jail time and loss of hunting rights.So to say "we" the Yakamas don't prosecute is a little bit immature and I can't speak for any other Tribe but I'm sure there are some bad apples that get away because nobody reports them. You don't want to do it then give it to me and I will be glad to do it.Colockum, I agree with your statement about paying our portion. I know with fish we are paying a big portion but as far as big game we are not paying anything outside of the Rez and I think we should be doing more. It all falls back to politics within the Tribe. You have some that push the agendas of those that have paid for them to be in a position that allows them to govern what is best for the Tribe and what is not and then you have those that push their own agendas for the betterment of themselves and then you have the very few that are actually for the people but don't realistically have any power because of the majority swaying all the power their way.Until a strong leader can be put in place we are not going to have much change if at all for quite a while and it sucks because we are capable of a lot but with the power struggle in place there is not a whole lot that can be done. I'll be there this fall to vote but again one vote can't do a whole lot when you have 50 that were bought and paid for by the opposition.Them sandal and turtleneck wearing, wine sipping tree huggers love it when we're constantly at it because it gives them pleasure seeing others fighting and not them. Sorry I rang in a little late but if you needed an expedited answer you could've shot me a PM Colockum and said check this thread and I could've jumped online for a few minutes and helped out Coastal, even though he provided some good input.
Quote from: norsepeak on September 02, 2011, 02:41:55 PMaccording to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them. The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.Tribla member know they can anything they want because WDFW will not prosecute and Tribal LEO's will not prosecute. 4 tribal members shot 4 bull elk ( spikes) last Spring in the Wenas, at night, from the road, on private property with 22 mag. They then left the elk to rot. ( I posted pics on here) As far as I know they caught the 2 offenders and nothing was done to them to date.Tribal members know this and constantly push the limit and shoot from the road, spotlight, tresspass and waste game.They are never prosecuted or fined I often run into tribal members hunting from vehicles. They stop and ask where the elk are. Every tribal member has responded that they want to be able to shoot from or near their vehicles and near the road so they do not have to hike to retrieve game. On a side note I often smell alcohol on their breath when the ask and see the empty beer cans in the back of their vehicles.Does shooting from vehicles and drinking heavily while hunting somehow play into the hunting tribal ceremony/heritage?Where is the honor in that?I wish the tribes had more members like Coastal
according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them. The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.
Have only dealt with tribal hunters in the Winter and Spring after season. I always talk to them awhile before giving out any help/info and can tell the legit hunters looking for a ceremonial elk from the others. And have only helped them find a cow elk for ceremonial services .My understanding, what little I possess, is the ceremonial elk is for the meat and not the horns.If it is a legit ceremonial elk and they want to shoot a cow elk I usually will give them a handThis is typically 2-3 times a year
Almost Everyone road hunts some time or another that is a fact. I helped my cuz a few years back because he got drawn for a branch bull and *censored* it was like a traffic jam in the woods you guys are brave men It scared the hell put of me. *censored* the camp grounds were like small towns and they were camped on top of one another. And orange spots everywhere. And for that guy that almost went off the rd because I was daydreaming out into the wood this weekend Im sorry.
well i am back,,, i see every one cryed around about my name so the white man gave me a new name. funny how this of the past come back up . i am susprised they didnt ask me to cut my hair and pick a christian name. i gess people can call natives bad names on here and get away with it and not be banned but when an native puts the name he was called as his name itsd a crime and i need to be banned. i bet sence i posted this i will be banned agin. but remeber all the crying wont change the treaty. i will still hunt where my fathers fathers hunted and fish where there fathers fished. all the meetings and all the gates wont stop me or my people. and for the Yakamas on this page aggreeing with these people. Grow some balls and remeber your past. the roots where you came from. hunt fish as you need and hunt and fish for your people and there famlies. i gess you dont remeber were you come from. your lost you should just live there way and forget our way. and for the natives that aduse there rights. You bring shame and hated to our people. change you ways our it will chatch up to you. and for every one else. I am LITTLE RED WAGON...... with that bull in the back!
