Wolfer

[quadrafire]

by Carter Niemeyer

I'm about 2 hours into this book. Fascinating read. Anybody on here read it?

I will report back when I am further along
I got mine on Kindle for $9.95 but here it is in book form

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FWolfer-Memoir-Carter-Niemeyer%2Fdp%2F0615409482&ei=c89eToSiNo_YiALVorWzBQ&usg=AFQjCNH76TVHNPfZdofydPVM9h0O5347Dw&sig2=qocSVLMi3oaeOQo64ZuMfA

[Knocker of rocks]

I've been looking for it at the KCLS and SILS.  My understanding is that if you are of slightly open mind, that no matter if you are pro-wolf or anti-wolf, your viewpoint is likely to become slightly weakened and you will appreciate the other side ever so slightly.

We'll see

[quadrafire]

My understanding is that if you are of slightly open mind, that no matter if you are pro-wolf or anti-wolf, your viewpoint is likely to become slightly weakened and you will appreciate the other side ever so slightly.

We'll see

Well that may be a very good analysis, but I cant see many anti's getting past the first few chapters with all the trapping stories.

I felt the book was very well written. I enjoyed the stories of the early days when he was learning his craft. I cannot imagine dealing with both sides of the controversy (read-- the extremes on both sides of the issue). Whether you are for or against wolves in the lower 48 I think it is a good read.

I am fairly neutral on the issue, leaning more to the against. It is the pack numbers and management that I have issues with. I don't think this book changed my point of view, but made me realize what types of people are out there.

[bearpaw]

FYI - Many people in Idaho and Montana lay blame on Niemeyer as a key player in downplaying the impacts and helping to establish the extremem numbers of wolves in Idaho and Montana. Ultimately it's these same wolves that will impact Washington herds.

I will not be buying his book ever. 

[grundy53]

FYI - Many people in Idaho and Montana lay blame on Niemeyer as a key player in downplaying the impacts and helping to establish the extremem numbers of wolves in Idaho and Montana. Ultimately it's these same wolves that will impact Washington herds.

I will not be buying his book ever. 

 

[Knocker of rocks]

It's good to see that you are keeping an open mind

[runamuk]

will look for it.  When you readl Flowers books on bears you will note later in life he was involved in developing alternative methods of dealing with bear damage to reduce the need to kill bears. I think if a person spends enough time working closely with one species they tend to have a better more full understanding of that animal. 

[spookgus]

FYI - Many people in Idaho and Montana lay blame on Niemeyer as a key player in downplaying the impacts and helping to establish the extremem numbers of wolves in Idaho and Montana. Ultimately it's these same wolves that will impact Washington herds.

I will not be buying his book ever. 

 
No open mind here. What I believe is not open to suggestion.

[Lowedog]

Thanks, I will be looking for it.

[grundy53]

It's good to see that you are keeping an open mind

you go ahead and keep an open mind. I already know what wolves do to our game herds.

[bearpaw]

will look for it.  When you readl Flowers books on bears you will note later in life he was involved in developing alternative methods of dealing with bear damage to reduce the need to kill bears. I think if a person spends enough time working closely with one species they tend to have a better more full understanding of that animal.

There is quite a difference between "Black Bear and Flowers" verses "Wolves and Niemeyer". 

Bear have not devastated the best elk herds in the world and have not been lied about in order to get higher numbers of them in the states. Flowers to my knowledge did not provide misleading information about black bears to further his agenda. 

May I suggest an opposing view to Niemeyers that won't even cost you to watch it? The facts coming out of Idaho and Montana support the fact that the wolf is not all the wolf lovers have cracked it up to be!

5 or 10 years from now Washington will be just like, or even worse off than Idaho is today, let's revisit this discussion in 10 years and see who was closest to being correct, WARNING (history is on my side).

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

apologies for threadjacking...

[Knocker of rocks]

There is quite a difference between "Black Bear and Flowers" verses "Wolves and Niemeyer". 


May I suggest an opposing view to Niemeyers that won't even cost you to watch it? The facts coming out of Idaho and Montana support the fact that the wolf is not all the wolf lovers have cracked it up to be!

You certainly seem to know quite a bit about "Wolfer".  Can we take it that you have read the book, even though you emphatically stated that you won't buy it.

[runamuk]

will look for it.  When you readl Flowers books on bears you will note later in life he was involved in developing alternative methods of dealing with bear damage to reduce the need to kill bears. I think if a person spends enough time working closely with one species they tend to have a better more full understanding of that animal.

There is quite a difference between "Black Bear and Flowers" verses "Wolves and Niemeyer". 

Bear have not devastated the best elk herds in the world and have not been lied about in order to get higher numbers of them in the states. Flowers to my knowledge did not provide misleading information about black bears to further his agenda. 

May I suggest an opposing view to Niemeyers that won't even cost you to watch it? The facts coming out of Idaho and Montana support the fact that the wolf is not all the wolf lovers have cracked it up to be!

5 or 10 years from now Washington will be just like, or even worse off than Idaho is today, let's revisit this discussion in 10 years and see who was closest to being correct, WARNING (history is on my side).

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

apologies for threadjacking...

I will have to read the work in order to form an educated opinion....I have no idea who niemeyer is even so until I find and read what is being discussed....just saying there are two sides to this issue and neither polarity is completely right...

[Knocker of rocks]

will look for it.  When you readl Flowers books on bears you will note later in life he was involved in developing alternative methods of dealing with bear damage to reduce the need to kill bears. I think if a person spends enough time working closely with one species they tend to have a better more full understanding of that animal.

There is quite a difference between "Black Bear and Flowers" verses "Wolves and Niemeyer". 

Bear have not devastated the best elk herds in the world and have not been lied about in order to get higher numbers of them in the states. Flowers to my knowledge did not provide misleading information about black bears to further his agenda. 

May I suggest an opposing view to Niemeyers that won't even cost you to watch it? The facts coming out of Idaho and Montana support the fact that the wolf is not all the wolf lovers have cracked it up to be!

5 or 10 years from now Washington will be just like, or even worse off than Idaho is today, let's revisit this discussion in 10 years and see who was closest to being correct, WARNING (history is on my side).

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

apologies for threadjacking...

I will have to read the work in order to form an educated opinion....I have no idea who niemeyer is even so until I find and read what is being discussed....just saying there are two sides to this issue and neither polarity is completely right...

[Glockster]

I read it in two days.  Thought it was an excellent book regarding the history of the situation we find ourselves in.

IMHO it's fascinating reading and I couldn't put it down.