30-06....again

[bowelkin]

I have used 180 partition on whitetail, blacktail, mulie, elk, moose, and goats.  They shoot well out of my gun and worked great on the animals. Didn't really need that much lead for the smaller animals,(deer), but they shoot so well for me, why change.

[HuntandFish]

Agree to disagree, I watched the episode and in no way did they perform this test to capture all of the bullets energy, they slug deformed the plate, and the .50 went through. This dramatically alters the energy numbers, for most of this energy is being absorb and redirected into other forms. As far as busting the myth of bullets knocking you over I agree probably wouldn't happen. But to argue theory this test would not even enter into the discussion.

Good times

H&F

[elksnout]

Wow! Four pages! I've learned more in a few days than in the last 30 years about bullets.....

To answer a couple of the questions directed back at me....
 Both elk ran 80-100 yards. No tracking blood. Bullets stopped on inside of hide on the off side. 180gr Remington.
My issue was the lack of pass through at close range. I firmly believe of an entry and exit hole. So my question was really about this.....is there a better suited 30-06 bullet than my current set up?

[addicted]

a pass through due to increased speed entails increased friction therefor using more energy to pass through than to stop?   

wheater it passes through or not, whether or not all the energy is left in the animal, it all comes down to one question on whether or not your going to kill that animal in a timely enough manner to find it......

Did you take out the heart and lungs?

[bobcat]

Yes, there are many bullets that are better than a Core lokt. A bullet that stays together better, and retains more weight, will penetrate further. Core lokts are not made to stay together. At relatively close distances, and therefore higher velocities, they will penetrate even less than they would at longer distances, because the higher velocity means the bullet will open up more, which causes it to penetrate less. The bullets that were already mentioned are all good and will work well. (Nosler Accubond, Nosler Partition, Barnes TSX)

[elksnout]

Good grief....yes it took out the heart and lungs. That's why they died.

Thank you Bobcat for your sincere advise. And with that I will lay this post to rest and spin a few down my barrel to see how they group.

Thank you all and happy and safe hunting this fall.

Elksnout   

[hub]

Wow! Four pages! I've learned more in a few days than in the last 30 years about bullets.....

To answer a couple of the questions directed back at me....
 Both elk ran 80-100 yards. No tracking blood. Bullets stopped on inside of hide on the off side. 180gr Remington.
My issue was the lack of pass through at close range. I firmly believe of an entry and exit hole. So my question was really about this.....is there a better suited 30-06 bullet than my current set up?

YES there is a 180 grain bullet better suited  for close in elk. The world famous and time tested nosler partition. 180,s and 200,s are available in factory loaded ammo. Pass thru penetration is a common occurance with the heavier partitions at close range. 

[Rick]

Like I said,there is no such thing as "knock down" power. An animal isn't knocked over by the bullet anymore than the shooter is knocked over from the recoil.

I really have to wonder about some of the guys I'm sharing the woods with each fall.

[Sea3006]

At the Monroe gun show yesterday Surplus Ammo was selling BVAC  30'06 with Speer Grand Slam 165 and 180 bullets for $21 for a box of 20.  Ballistic chart below.  Pretty good deal for a round with a premium bullet.  I strongly suggest you run a couple boxes at the range to get sighted in with them.  Not sure how accurate / consistent this BVAC ammo is.  They have a rep for discount ammo.

http://www.bvac-ammo.com/BV30-06-9N.pdf

[wreckerman5357]

I primarily shoot '06 and have also used Cor-Lokts. I have also used them in .270. I have been tempted to try new premium bullets but have not for three reasons. First, my '06 shoots sub moa groups with the Cor-Lokts, more than good enough for hunting. Second, in my experience, Cor-Lokts have struck animals down like the hammer of god.

[Rooster1981]

Well I would have to say core locks are junk in my opinion, first reason in 2001 I shot a bull a 60 yards with a 30-06 shooting corelocks and the bullet stopped on the first rib never penitrated. Second in that same box was a 280. rem round mixed in with the 30-06 ammo. I still have that 280 as a reminder to never buy factory ammo again.
 
 I usally reload and have done so since I was twelve. The absolutly best round I can make is a Horinody 165grn sst or btsp with 55grn of 4007sc. I would choose the 165 over the 180 any day to get that extra 100 yards of range. So my field test on my new round resulted in one dead elk at over 200yards the entry hole was the size of a golf ball, the exit hole was bigger than a baseball. That was with the new 165grn sst and the new 4007sc.
 For many years I used  Hornody 165grn btsp with 57 grns of imr 4831 and that round is a show stopper as well, and I would use it now as an alternitive round any day.

Rooster

[bobcat]

I would choose the 165 over the 180 any day to get that extra 100 yards of range.

 
Nothing wrong with 165's but where do you get the idea that they give you 100 yards more range? There's no difference in how far you can shoot with a 165 versus a 180. The 180 grain might drop a couple inches more at 400 yards, but they will both kill a deer or an elk just the same, if shot placement is good. The heavier bullets actually have an advantage because of the higher ballistic coefficient- they drift less in the wind.

[Miles]

I would choose the 165 over the 180 any day to get that extra 100 yards of range.

  There's no difference in how far you can shoot with a 165 versus a 180.

Source?

[bobcat]

I would choose the 165 over the 180 any day to get that extra 100 yards of range.

  There's no difference in how far you can shoot with a 165 versus a 180.

Source?

My brain and common sense. Do you have an opinion or only questions?
 
 

[Miles]

I would choose the 165 over the 180 any day to get that extra 100 yards of range.

  There's no difference in how far you can shoot with a 165 versus a 180.

Source?

My brain and common sense. Do you have an opinion or only questions?
 
 

Thought so.

Are we not allowed to ask questions?