Grouse Rounds....? help

[Co]

Me and my friend like to travel small, because usually grouse is secondary hunting critter when we are in the woods, My friend has a 22 and is trying to find a round that would allow more impact on grouse to nock it for a loop when bullet hits.. he has been talking about finding rubber bullets, or some kind of flat hollow tip... any ideas out there to the 22 hunter for grouse?

Now I have a new bond arms pistol 410/45, I have killed 1, and wounded two out of like 6 attempts, I know I need to be as close as possible with my short 4 1/4 in barrel, but witch 410 round should I be using ??

thanks
Co

[Co]

btw, the 2 I wounded I had to finish of when I caught them....

[satchel3006]

Most .22 rounds should work for grouse just shoot for the head and you'll be fine. Have you patterned your .410 with various shells? That would probably be your best bet.

[Co]

Yes I have pattern one or 2 rounds, but rather then buying many being inexperienced with shotgun shells I thought it might be better to ask first to see where to start....?

[CP]

Since you are up close with the .410 pistol, smaller shot will give a denser pattern and will have plenty of energy.   Try some 7 1/2 , in the heaviest load that you can find.

[newbs55]

So maybe this isnt the right place to ask but Are those even legal? i thought you can only hold three shells in a shotgun. or are those classified as a handgun? i would just hate to have the gamie be the one to explain to me that they aren't legal.

[Shoffy]

It's legal. The gun is considered a handgun. A shotgun cannot be shorted than 16" under federal regulations. As long as the bore is rifled (Which it is) it is not considered a shotgun, it's a pistol that happens to shot shot shell ammo. Grouse are allowed to be taken by centerfire rifles and pistols in WA. As far as ammo, I would use #0000 buck shot or the smallest available.
7-1/2 in a .410 is too light. Because the gun has no choke you basically have to be point blank range to be effective. My dad has a Judge pistol and it is basically ineffective in ranges longer than 5-10 yards. I do think they make a load that has like 4 pellets.

One interesting note: Taurus was manufacturing a large frame revolver that shoots 28Ga. shells, but the ATF put a stop on it because of it's classification. There is no centerfire caliber that converts to 28Ga. so it was considered a short barrel shotgun. The idea was a little cheesy to me anyway

[Co]

ok... good info...   I will get some of those and put it on paper....  and check it out..
Thanks

[cwegga]

So maybe this isnt the right place to ask but Are those even legal? i thought you can only hold three shells in a shotgun. or are those classified as a handgun? i would just hate to have the gamie be the one to explain to me that they aren't legal.

It shouldn't be a problem. Bond Arms is a company that makes (mostly/only?) derringers, so only two shells can be loaded at a time.

http://bondarms.com/

[SkookumJeff]

I'd say you really need to pattern that thing to see what your shot density is at what range.  That will likely determine what shot size you need.

Skook