to the indian netting 8-2

[runamuk]

why isn't it utilized in the fish fertilizer market is my question...fish fertilizer is good stuff and typically falls into the OMRI or organic labeling and would sure be a better use than just chucking them...I understand some body count is needed in rivers for the smolts to eat and to feed the circle of life but that doesn't account for the fish piled on banks....

I guessing it is because a buyer hasn't approached them yet.  As soon as bycatch/remains have dollar signs attached to them, they'd be selling.
The biggest piles I've seen were from DFW, for 'river nourishment'.  DFW had too many silvers return to the hatchery so they were cutting the tails off and then putting them in a trailer.  Thousands of them.  Then they would take them up the mountain and dump them off the bridge.  The bios kept talking about doing this to raise the nitrogen.

Well they are missing an opportunity...can you imagine the promotional value....they would be able to hit the organic market, jump on the whole white self hate and tout the Native American produced, plus hit the made in america and washington grown labels.....it could be as major an enterprise as the recycling of seattles sewage into the growco sterile soil....I see all sorts of money with a little bit of effort and it would be a use of offal or waste so would just give the greens fits of pleasure...funny how the green movement was hijacked by the environmental whacknuts...but hell I say play to their guilt and make some money where you can....

but thats just me always thinking of crazy ideas

dumping too much carcass into the river systems will boost nitrogen but that can have very damaging effects as well....I think the east has some dead zones that show what happens when too much nitrogen enters an aquatic system..

[birdmanwa]

You certainly raise some good points heartsblood although indians have been by far the most wasteful pigs that I have ever seen involved with commercial fishing and they HAVE done the most damage to our steelhead runs and continue to do the most damage to our salmon runs.
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I agree, and the is no sign of stopping. I think we as sportsman need to work together or we will see more of our tax dollars go to the natives to make up for no salmon in Washington. The biggest thing  we face is that the natives have their hands in Gregoire  pockets right now, which doesn't help us but helps them.

[birdmanwa]

and they HAVE done the most damage to our steelhead runs and continue to do the most damage to our salmon runs.

Suburbia destroyed our fish runs.

That's false. It did hurt, but our return runs of fish are getting stronger. Look at the pink salmon, it was one of the largest runs on recorded history, the Columbia is also have recorded runs. It's just when you lay nets across a river and the bay for 7  days a week, it makes it hard for salmon to spawn 

[seansfire]

I belive it is a fact that the Indians are and have been for a very long time the number one problem when  it comes  to raping beaches all over the puget sound area. If anyone here thinks i am wrong i would encourage you to go by the Skok , Quilicene , DeWatto , Tahuya , Puyallup , or any other river with fish in it right now and count the nets in it and at the mouths of these rivers. Oh , and while you are at it , how many of ya are walking up and down these same rivers while waiting for your nets to fill with a surf rod with a huge treble hook and 100 pound test?

While we are at it you better drive across the Purdy Sand Spit out by Gig Harbor or up Highway 101 around Hoodsport and again count the nets. I sure as hell don't see ANY whites out there with a net in the water or a treble hook. Those of us who follow the LAW would be arrested for it is why. In my book the natives on here bitching about your heritage and that you suffer greatly are full of themselves and should really pull your head out.

[Coastal_native]

In my book the natives on here bitching about your heritage and that you suffer greatly are full of themselves and should really pull your head out.

Just out of curiosity, who are the natives on here that "are bitching about their heritage and that they suffer greatly"?  I can count us on one hand and I don't recall any posts that fit your description.

[3nails]

In my book the natives on here bitching about your heritage and that you suffer greatly are full of themselves and should really pull your head out.

Just out of curiosity, who are the natives on here that "are bitching about their heritage and that they suffer greatly"?  I can count us on one hand and I don't recall any posts that fit your description.

Yes, be careful not to slander. In my observations Coastal and Plateau have been nothing but curteous and patient. Though I agree that treaty interpretations need to be changed, these two gentlemen have been nothing but that, gentlemen.

[White Tornado]

[/quote] Yes, be careful not to slander. In my observations Coastal and Plateau have been nothing but curteous and patient. Though I agree that treaty interpretations need to be changed, these two gentlemen have been nothing but that, gentlemen.
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[Knocker of rocks]

   ditto

[Heartsblood]

In my book the natives on here bitching about your heritage and that you suffer greatly are full of themselves and should really pull your head out.

Just out of curiosity, who are the natives on here that "are bitching about their heritage and that they suffer greatly"?  I can count us on one hand and I don't recall any posts that fit your description.

Yes, be careful not to slander. In my observations Coastal and Plateau have been nothing but curteous and patient. Though I agree that treaty interpretations need to be changed, these two gentlemen have been nothing but that, gentlemen.

Agreed. This appears to be a straw man accusation. That's one of the cool things about forums like this - people can go back and look for what's been said and in this case perhaps, what hasn't been said.
I too have seen no "bitching" as has been described.

[h20hunter]

So far the most inflammatory language and accusations have been from non natives.

[Knocker of rocks]

 

[Houndhunter]

Why would they bitch or use inflammatory language? Their the ones that get to do what ever they want, I think there's a reason why we bitch

[h20hunter]

I guess we all have our own reasons regardless of race, gender, etc.

Like any topic that has a lot of emotional response I will always maintain that inflammatory actions and statements will not accomplish anything. Interactions and opinions will vary greatly depending on area and interactions. Statements that include inflammatory wording and derogatory (sp?) slurs on any side of the arguement will accomplish nothing. Actually, they usually work agains the person trying to make a point.

So, I guess my point for chiming in is regarless if you are a tattoed dentist, net carrying native american, or anglo sport fisherman making statments with insulting terms will get you nowhere.

[sharpeshooter]

For those natives who don't understand what people are trying to say about wasteful practices we are seeing, make a trip out to the tulalip tribe. As hunters and fisherman we conservationists to as that we pay for a license which a portion funds state programs such as hatcheries so when the white man sees and Indian raping half the fish from the rivers and bays, it passes us off. Tulalip a good example of wasting

[seansfire]

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I didnt mean to take a shot at anyone in particular on this forum or anywhere else. I agree the guys on here have been very decent and i dont know any of them personally. I am merely pointing out the actions of the majority of the tribes who seem to think it is alright to clear out a whole body of water and keep what they want and waste far too much of the rest. I am not very PC and never have been. I belive the world is far too PC and people should speak what they are thinkin more. Sorry if some took it personal. Not my intention.