Is permanent stand legal?

[bobcat]

I'd leave it alone too. If it's in a really good spot I'd use it. Try going in the middle of the week when the guy that built it is at work.   

[CedarPants]

If we've come to the point where we are so cutthroat towards our fellow hunters that we are turning each other in over tree stands on public land or are in fact tearing said tree stands down because we can't all play nice in the sandbox together like good children ....... well, the anti's won't really have to do much other than sit back and watch us bicker our way into our own demise.

We need to choose our battles carefully, and this ain't one of them 

[bigtex]

If we've come to the point where we are so cutthroat towards our fellow hunters that we are turning each other in over tree stands on public land or are in fact tearing said tree stands down because we can't all play nice in the sandbox together like good children ....... well, the anti's won't really have to do much other than sit back and watch us bicker our way into our own demise.

We need to choose our battles carefully, and this ain't one of them 

 

[NumaJohn]

CedarPants, I take your point about not sweating the small stuff in life, but people who decide to build permanent stands on public land are exhibiting a sense of entitlement that rankles me.  I am not saying I would turn them in--or that I would tear down their stands--but I would be annoyed.  My annoyance would be coming not from a sense that it was my area (which it wouldn't be, technically, since it was public land); rather, I would be irritated that someone elected to play outside the established laws that we are all supposed to be following, even if we don't always like all of those laws.  If anything is going to fuel the anti-hunters' causes, my sense is that it would be that hunters don't seem to self-legislate when some hunters (a minority of hunters, I would hope) step outside the line and do whatever suits them.  That we hunters would just shrug off infractions such as building permanent tree stands or riding ATVs in areas where they are restricted (see the other big thread on that topic!) is something that I think demonstrates a lack of moral fortitude.  We have to stand up to defend our rights, and sometimes that means standing up to our own just as much as it means standing up to anti-hunters.

John

[DBHAWTHORNE]

CedarPants, I take your point about not sweating the small stuff in life, but people who decide to build permanent stands on public land are exhibiting a sense of entitlement that rankles me.  I am not saying I would turn them in--or that I would tear down their stands--but I would be annoyed.  My annoyance would be coming not from a sense that it was my area (which it wouldn't be, technically, since it was public land); rather, I would be irritated that someone elected to play outside the established laws that we are all supposed to be following, even if we don't always like all of those laws.  If anything is going to fuel the anti-hunters' causes, my sense is that it would be that hunters don't seem to self-legislate when some hunters (a minority of hunters, I would hope) step outside the line and do whatever suits them.  That we hunters would just shrug off infractions such as building permanent tree stands or riding ATVs in areas where they are restricted (see the other big thread on that topic!) is something that I think demonstrates a lack of moral fortitude.  We have to stand up to defend our rights, and sometimes that means standing up to our own just as much as it means standing up to anti-hunters.

John

If nailing a few boards to a tree causes some kind of serious damage to our resource then I say we should speak up. If we are just wanting to turn him in because we believe the rules of the state (or a collective group) are more important than the rights of an individual then we are on the wrong track. ( the point I am trying to make in the other topic you mentioned)  i do believe the guy shouldn't be pissed to see someone in it though...  He can't claim domain over that spot annually just because he built a permanent stand.

If one considers rule breaking a direct reflection of moral fortitude then they wouldn't think very highly of our founding fathers who broke all kinds of rules in their pursuit of liberty. Also check out the other topic on here about the pharmacist packing a pistol while working at  walgreens (despite company policy not allowing firearms). Almost none of us see that as a lack of moral fortitude in that individual.

I am not saying you aren't doing right if you decide to turn him in but I am suggesting that law abiders (which I am one myself) can't necessarily claim the moral high ground in all cases. Instead of breaking the laws I myself prefer to try and change them through our processes and by suggesting to others why I believe the laws are wrong... That being said I am not going to help enforce stupid laws... I think this is probably one of those. (not sure though because I don't know what kind of issues it can cause for the trees... Just assuming very little damage would be caused in 99% of these kind of situations.

[PolarBear]

Just pee all over the area and leave it alone.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Just pee all over the area and leave it alone.

lol

[CedarPants]

I see your point NumaJohn, and it does have merit.  I just feel that a treestand does not constitute a lack of moral fortitude.  I'm sure the majority of people that build these do not feel they have now claimed that tree and surrounding area as theirs (there are exceptions though, I've witnessed it first hand).  I'm going to elk camp next week and I'm sure there will be guys that have their camps set up where I want to camp and they will have probably set up their camp a week prior to save the spot.  Should I turn them in for not having the proper permits, or should I just tear their camp down and talk to them about their sense of entitlement?  Or .... should I just keep driving and set up camp down the road then come back and have a beer with them later while laughing and telling hunting stories?  I'd choose the latter.

Like I said I do see your point though and I'm certainly not condoning turning a blind eye to infractions.  That said, I see people texting while driving, failing to use turn signals, driving in the left lane instead of the right on the freeway, and not wearing seatbelts everyday.  I've yet to turn any of them in

[jackmaster]

If we've come to the point where we are so cutthroat towards our fellow hunters that we are turning each other in over tree stands on public land or are in fact tearing said tree stands down because we can't all play nice in the sandbox together like good children ....... well, the anti's won't really have to do much other than sit back and watch us bicker our way into our own demise.

We need to choose our battles carefully, and this ain't one of them 

perfectly stated

[ghosthunter]

I am too old, stupid and fat to be up a tree.
I do think more people than you think will claim the spot for their own because they built a stand there. If a guy told me I had to leave a spot I got too first because he had a stand there, I would push the buttons.

On the other hand as we talked about on another thread. I use a hub blind I may set it up in the National Forest a day or so early. I consider it my private property ( the blind) if I get there in the am and some guy is in my Hub blind well you may read about it in the paper. If he is setting next to it hunting, good for him I should have got my fat ass out of bed sooner.

[yajsab]

      What kind of camera did you use?

GoPro with the fisheye POV.   

I used this to capture my hunt.  Unfortunately, I didn't get anything.

Well, thanks to everyone who contributed to this topic.  In my mind I know permanent stand is not legal but just wanted to check in with all of you.  I'm not going to make a big fuzz about this, although I have lost my opener spot.

I won't be using this stand as a first come first serve either.  I don't want to confront anyone.  I rather set my stand up about 60 yards next to it.  I didn't do it this year, but next year, I'll be sitting 60 yards away.

[Biggerhammer]

      What kind of camera did you use?

GoPro with the fisheye POV.   

I used this to capture my hunt.  Unfortunately, I didn't get anything.

Well, thanks to everyone who contributed to this topic.  In my mind I know permanent stand is not legal but just wanted to check in with all of you.  I'm not going to make a big fuzz about this, although I have lost my opener spot.

I won't be using this stand as a first come first serve either.  I don't want to confront anyone.  I rather set my stand up about 60 yards next to it.  I didn't do it this year, but next year, I'll be sitting 60 yards away.

Why not, It's public land isn't it? If you feel thats your spot? Then take the extra minutes to be there first, set your climber or what have you in the same stinking tree, first come first serve, so goes the game.

[rosscrazyelk]

When I was just starting to hunt. My Uncle built a  stand.. It was on the ground actually and overlooked part of the river. He would put my aunt in it. She had a stove in there, and heater. all the guys would come around and get a warm cup of Jo and some cookies.... It was fun..  My aunt killed 3 elk from that stand over the years. One year we came back and it was tore down and a note saying we could not have a permanant structure built. thank you,. forest service.. This was in the 80's

[Rick]

JFC people. I can't believe some of these responses. Its a friggin' half-assed tree stand. Do you really need to piss all over it,or tear it down,or cause a confrontation?

I swear some of you act like you're 10 years old.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

JFC people. I can't believe some of these responses. Its a friggin' half-assed tree stand. Do you really need to piss all over it,or tear it down,or cause a confrontation?

I swear some of you act like you're 10 years old.

PEE ON IT!!!!!