TIRED OF PC HUNTING (WDFW RANT)

[remington300mag]

Rem, What's gotten in to you lately?  Every time I look at a thread with your posts, you are all pissed off and telling people how wrong they are. 
 
Oh, and you really don't need all this:
 
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 to get your point across. 
 
Three periods indicate a pause, other than that one question mark or period will suffice.

The more over punctuation I do, the more it makes it seem like I mean business!  As for what is up with me, I am not pissed off at all, just stating my opinion. Figure if everyone else is going to speak their mind, why not me? Also, it seems to me like I have done more pissing others off, rather than being pissed off myself.....
Besides, can you honestly read that guys post and not want to 

[Miles]

I quit reading posts that are more than 10 lines.   
 
 
It's too much like work, and unless it's a hunting story it's most likely bitching and moaning about something that "isn't fair".

[Killercolin]

  ML & MF guys don't appreciate what it takes to get consistantly 40 yrds or less to an animal or have an animal in your site but just can't get close enough with a bow. 

We dont. Just in the last 2 seasons my group of 5 (including me) have taken 7 elk and not a 1 was over 40 yrds. And how about having an animal in your sights and you pop a cap and nothing happens? Thats EXTREMELY frustrating.

This is going to be my 3rd year hunting, so Im pretty new to hunting, and I even understand that anyone can hunt what ever weapon style they want. I read these forum and learn a lot from all you veteran hunters. I really love the stories and the pictures, yet every once in a while you come across a post that kinda insulting. But that is your right to say what ever you would like and I respect that. But I say you have a problem with something do something. If youre so unhappy with archery's seasons, then write the WDFW and give your input, or switch seasons. Just my 

[Glockster]

Welcome to resource allocation.

Those 'purists' of the archery community who proposed and lobbied for "choose your weapon" regs back in the 80's brought you the shorter seasons, limited units to hunt and severely restricted archery opportunity we have today.

Back when one could buy a tag for and hunt any weapon type, you had archery seasons that spanned over 2 months total, I can't recall a unit that was closed to archery (early and late hunts) and does, cows, bulls bucks big and small all were legal.  And we had plenty of animals to hunt back then and even more hunters.   Somehow we managed just fine without resource allocation.

All it did was pit hunters against eachother and reduce all of our opportunity to hunt as we choose. 

[Machias]

Welcome to resource allocation.

All it did was pit hunters against eachother and reduce all of our opportunity to hunt as we choose. 

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

 
As a Traditional Archer by choice, I feel that I have imposed a restriction on myself that prevents me from having a 100% success rate.
Actually it is more like 15%, but I do get at least one opportunity every year, I just don't "make the connection".
I do question my choice of weapon sometimes, because I KNOW I could have made shots I have passed on if I was able to reach 5-10 yards further.
As much as I would like to hunt later in September, or even the first week of October, I choose my weapon more for the weapons sake than for the season.
I feel sorry for the ML guys, they do seem to get the short end of the deal, but IMHO unless they are using a side-lock, they basically are using a rifle, and with the ability to hunt the first week of Oct, limited open GMU's and a one week season is their only legitimate complaint.
When it comes to MF hunters, well, with the leaves down in November (increased visibility) and the ability to shoot 100+ yards...
I think the hardest thing about their season is fear of leaving the truck unattended due to *censored*s that might break in while they are hunting, or not being able to find a parking space.
or they might miss the game (football)
  (just a joke, don't get all angry)
When I am hunting, I park at a gate and walk in, averaging 10-15 miles a day.
I try to hunt from daylight until dark, and walk in, and out in the dark.
This year I hunted in one of those "crowded" units, yet the only other hunters I saw in the woods were less than a mile from the gate, and gone when I arrived at my truck at dark.
They had seen nothing, nor had heard nothing, all season long.
Yet I had heard at least 3 bulls bugle every day I had hunted, and had 3 opportunities myself, and each of the 3 other guys I had hunted with had had an Elk within 40 yards themselves, making 6 chances to pack out an Elk in 5 days of hunting.
As much as I would like to complain about how the WDFW is "screwing me over", I make my own luck, and the number of branched bulls I see every year keeps increasing.
I would like to credit myself, believing I am a better hunter, but I feel the real credit actually has to go to someone other than myself.
I am an overweight, 47 y/o smoker who spends most of his time just walking logging roads (behind gates), I used to hunt the whole season, from before deer opened until after Elk season (early)
Now I am lucky to get out for a week, yet I still manage to find Elk, and get them within 40 yards.
I would love to take credit for that, but honestly feel it is the lack of effort by the majority of hunters, and increased restrictions by the WDFW that has influenced my opportunity.
Life is not fair, get used to it.
you get out of it, what you put into it, and if you want an easy hunt, well there are options.
or I guess you can complain about it, if that makes you feel better.. 

[sirmissalot]

Why don't you just apply for multi season permits. Once you draw, you can try out all the seasons, then decide if the archery hunters really are getting stiffed. I understand your rant, I've had the same frustrations before. All the seasons have pros and cons to them, I was going to list them out but I will let you figure them out yourself.

[Machias]

That's been the real damage with the whole Choose Your Weapon.  It has pitted each user group against each other and has us fighting each other for time in the woods and open GMUs.  One of the few states in the US that has not expand archery and Muzzy seasons.  If you look at most of the states out there, all this divide and conquer is not going on.  Pretty sad state of affairs in this State and one of the main reasons I gave up hunting big game here.   

[bobcat]

It's either "choose your weapon" or draw only. There has to be some limit on the number of hunters, and the number of animals harvested each year. I don't have a problem with our seasons. Although I would prefer a system more like Oregon's with more draw only seasons and less general seasons open to anybody and everybody.

I don't believe for one second that it's all about "dividing and conquering".

[Machias]

I don't believe for one second that it's all about "dividing and conquering".

After having gone to several 3 year season setting processes, the anti-hound agenda and watching the wolf agenda, I don't share your optomisim.     

[seth30]

It's either "choose your weapon" or draw only. There has to be some limit on the number of hunters, and the number of animals harvested each year. I don't have a problem with our seasons. Although I would prefer a system more like Oregon's with more draw only seasons and less general seasons open to anybody and everybody.

I don't believe for one second that it's all about "dividing and conquering".

I disagree with not letting everyone hunt.  We have serveral military bases in this state, and most of us spend 2-4 years in one area and move on.  A point system is unfair to our servicemen and women stationed in WA. How can they compete? I like the seperation between weapons due to less crowding in the woods though.

[Machias]

I like the seperation between weapons due to less crowding in the woods though.

Your kidding right?  That is the BIGGEST complaint, even more so that the shortening of the seasons, is the over crowding from cramming everyone into fewer and fewer GMUs.   

[seth30]

I like the seperation between weapons due to less crowding in the woods though.

Your kidding right?  That is the BIGGEST complaint, even more so that the shortening of the seasons, is the over crowding from cramming everyone into fewer and fewer GMUs.   

Nope I hunt year round, (mostly yotes) and dont see anybody till modern season and then its a zoo. I couldnt imagine dealing with that every time I go out.  Sorry just my opionion.

[bobcat]

I don't believe for one second that it's all about "dividing and conquering".

After having gone to several 3 year season setting processes, the anti-hound agenda and watching the wolf agenda, I don't share your optomisim.     

I'm not sure I'd call it "optimism" on my part. I'd just like to know who you think is doing the "dividing and the conquering" and what purpose does it serve? The reason for the "choose your weapon" is to reduce crowding in the woods. It used to be that a person could hunt all three seasons with the appropriate weapon. It got to be too crowded so they then made it so a person had to pick just one season to hunt each year. Like I said- it's either what we have, or they can go to no more general seasons/over-the-counter tags, and make all deer and elk hunting by draw only.
 
 

[Fullabull]

For those of you that actually read the full post and understood what I was trying to say, thanks!

I did not say I want to switch hunting meathods.
Facts are facts and they show archery is the only method that does not hunt the prime runt general or permit!
My rant was at WDFW for being PC with the modern hunters but that's WA for you 
Don't bring up about the number of MF hunters and the limited number of permits, like you are telling me. It's your choice, and you still take more big bulls than archery hunters during your "permit hunts" while hunting the prime rut.

I'm just pissed because my father will not be hunting with me any longer. I will be fine hunting by myself and will have plenty of opportunity because I can now get out and go where the elk are. But I'm still bummed...

You MF hunters on this forum I'm sure are amongst the group who work hard for your elk, that is why you are on this forum, because you love the sport and are willing to put out the effort.

What the WDFW is doing has nothing to do with how they manage the herds and everything to do with being PC and knowing where 70% of their money comes from. Trust me, if there were more archery hunters than MF hunters, things would be much different!

Sorry to ruffle any feathers here, I really enjoy this forum and the great folks who reside here. We all learn a lot from eachother and sharing stories and tactics helps make the year go by a little faster so we can all get back out there and do what we love....Hunt!