Washington Wolf Plan Poll

[bearpaw]

I think the WDFW is the one wanting more wolves than we are required to have by the feds who have already delisted part of the state. The eastern 1/3 of Washington is already federally delisted, as soon as Washington has a wolf plan approved by the USFWS (which could include hunting in the eastern 1/3) then I think we could begin that management. 

What happens to the other 2/3 of the state is where we are hung up with the feds.

[winshooter88]

We are also hung up by the Washington State Endangered Species Act. Wolves are still endangered in all of Washington under the state endangered species act.  At the current time wolves in the western part of the state are still on the federal ESA listing. However at this time there is no federal recovery zone that covers Western Washington, Oregon, Northern Calif. or Nevada. The feds are working on what this possible recovery zone will consist of. According to WDFW director Anderson his agency is trying to influence the feds to get our state the best possible outcome. Of course that depends on what his version of the best possible outcome means. According to the people who told me about the state ESA it is worse (more of a problem) than the federal ESA. This something that the WFW wolf committee should look into in my humble opinion.

[Little Dave]

And.... genetic testing has confirmed that are of the same species that we first had here in Wa.

Just for a point of trivia, the gray wolf is the same species as the domestic dog.  Both are classified as the species canis lupus, and distinguished by a subspecies name.  Should a day ever come when the gray wolf population is low enough to merit legitimate special protection, a term such as endangered subspecies might make more sense.

What I would like the commission to do is to remove the extirpated gray wolf from the state endangered species list since gray wolves are neither endangered, nor species.

15 breeding pairs sounds expensive.    It also sounds like the advice for 15 breeding pairs comes from the type of people that visit zoos - where the ways of nature are carefully sanitized for urban sensibilities.  It would be so much better to calibrate the number of wolves as they arrive to some currently unknown population level that we determine we can manage without bankrupting the Department of Fish and Wildlife by a wild and careless guess.

[KillBilly]

And.... genetic testing has confirmed that are of the same species that we first had here in Wa.

Just for a point of trivia, the gray wolf is the same species as the domestic dog.  Both are classified as the species canis lupus, and distinguished by a subspecies name.  Should a day ever come when the gray wolf population is low enough to merit legitimate special protection, a term such as endangered subspecies might make more sense.

What I would like the commission to do is to remove the extirpated gray wolf from the state endangered species list since gray wolves are neither endangered, nor species.

15 breeding pairs sounds expensive.    It also sounds like the advice for 15 breeding pairs comes from the type of people that visit zoos - where the ways of nature are carefully sanitized for urban sensibilities.  It would be so much better to calibrate the number of wolves as they arrive to some currently unknown population level that we determine we can manage without bankrupting the Department of Fish and Wildlife by a wild and careless guess.

Good Point   

[sebek556]

just wanted to bump this back up to the top again saw we had some new members posting and wanted to get their votes in

[KillBilly]

Frank, I appreciate you watching after this. You have been vigilant as well as helpful.

Thanks
Al

[sebek556]

  no problem just trying to do my part in this, when it comes to pass (how ever it turns out) I want to know that I did what I could to help.

[jager]

ttt

[sebek556]

every time this pops we get a few more votes, lets keep it going! 

[firefighter4607]

 

[Skyvalhunter]

every time this pops we get a few more votes, lets keep it going! 

True true obviously some don't care enough to get involved and would rather take the back seat attitude.

[KillBilly]

 

[bearpaw]

I have noticed plenty of new memberships and I think some are joining so they can vote in the poll in favor of wolves. 

[Skyvalhunter]

I hope so!!!

[firefighter4607]

  Come on people lets get voting!!!