Wolf meeting

[bearpaw]

I am busy today but just wanted to post this for you all to chew on. I think the commission is dicovering the faulty science being presented by WDFW. We hunters must keep firing letters to give the commission support and reason to not accept the plan as written. We are in the final stretch we must give this race our best in the final stretch or we will lose.

I urge you all to stay motivated and send letters.....

Here are some facts and fuigures I have dug up in the last week, please use any of it in messages to the commission. If everyone on here would send a message each week of October using this data or any other data you can dig up, we may win in the final stretch, if you don't care and don't mind losing on this wolf issue, then do nothing, becuase then we will priobably lose if we don't stay motivated and effective.

ITS YOUR CHOICE, DO YOU WANT TO WIN OR LOSE?


Here's some data with links to the source to verify statistics, please use any of it you like in messages to the Commission:  commission@dfw.wa.gov


Comparing Washington to Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Wyoming

By averaging the data for the northern rocky mountain gray wolf recovery states and by comparing the number of Breeding Pairs (BP’s) required by the Idaho, Montana, Oregon, and Wyoming wolf plans, we can make a comparison with the proposed Washington Wolf Plan.

•   Washington has proposed 15 Breeding Pairs (BP’s). The wolf plans in 4 other Northern Rocky Mountain wolf recovery states is as follows:  Idaho 15 BP’s, Montana 15 BP’s, Oregon 4 BP’s, and Wyoming 10 BP’s.  That’s 44 breeding pairs or an average of 11 Breeding Pairs (BP’s) per state.

•   According to the US Census Bureau with 44 million acres Washington is much smaller than Idaho, Montana, Oregon, or Wyoming. Idaho has 53.4 million acres, Montana 94.1 million acres, Oregon 62.2 million acres, and Wyoming 62.6 million acres.  That’s over 272 million acres in the other 4 states which are managing for 44 Breeding Pairs. That’s an average of 6.2 million acres for each Breeding Pair in the other 4 states. Considering that Washington has only 44 million acres the Washington Wolf Plan should require 7 Breeding Pairs. So how can Washington sustain 15 BP’s?  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0369.pdf
     
•   Washington’s human population is 6,725,000 which is almost equal to the population of the other 4 states combined. Idaho has 1,568,000 people, Montana 989,000, Oregon 3,831,000 and Wyoming 564,000. How can Washington sustain 15 BP’s?   http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0016.pdf

•   According to the Census Bureau statistics, Washington’s smaller size and higher human population results in 3 to 17 times more people per square mile as ID, MT, OR, WY. Washington has 101.2 people per square mile, Idaho 19.0, Montana 6.8, Oregon 39.9, and Wyoming 5.8. How can Washington sustain 15 BP’s?  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0014.pdf

•   Census Bureau statistics indicate Washington has 1,063,000 people living on rural private lands. That is 2 to 6 times the human population on rural private lands in the other 4 states. Idaho has only 434,000 rural residents, Montana 414,000, Oregon 727,000, and Wyoming 172,000.  How can Washington’s private lands that have a much higher human population sustain more wolves than private lands in these other states?  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0029.pdf

•   One of the Most Important Comparisons!  According to the National Wilderness Institute, Washington has 15.5 million acres of state and federal public lands for wolves to inhabit. This is less than half of Idaho’s 35.2 million acres, Montana’s 32.5 million acres, or Wyoming’s 34 million acres. Washington even has less public lands than Oregon’s 19.4 million acres and Oregon’s plan only calls for 4 BP’s. The other 4 states have a total of 121 million acres of public lands for 44 BP’s, that’s 2.75 million acres per Breeding Pair in the other states. Washington’s 15.5 million acres at that same rate can only support 6 Breeding pairs. Why does the WDFW think our much smaller amount of public land can support more than twice the wolves the other states can support?   http://www.nrcm.org/documents/publiclandownership.pdf

•   The Final Important Comparison! Washington’s elk herd at the WDFW inflated figure of 61,000, is still much smaller than the herds of Idaho  at 103,000, Montana’s 150,000+,  Oregon’s 130,000,  and Wyoming’s 120,000. In fact the other 4 states herds total 503,000 to support 44 BP’s, that’s 11,430 elk per breeding pair of wolves in the other states. By those standards Washington’s 61,000 elk can support  5 breeding pairs. How can the WDFW think Washington’s elk herds can support 3 times as many wolves as the other 4 states?   http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/Features/Articles/

[Special T]

I've been looking for the e-amil adresses for the commision.. I haven't been able to find it... Any one have it?

[6x6in6]

Thanks Bearpaw of the data, again.
Just fired off a quickie e-mail referencing the acreage per breeding pairs comparison stats.
I like that reference  the best.  It really puts it in perspective, in my book, that we just simply don't have the land to support 15 BP's when compared to our neighbors.

[6x6in6]

I've been looking for the e-amil adresses for the commision.. I haven't been able to find it... Any one have it?

Bearpaw's message above has it right above the BOLD

[bearpaw]

Please everyone, use this:

commission@dfw.wa.gov

[Special T]

Man I'm  I didn't see it cause it's not blue like the rest...  I'm so 

[bearpaw]

I will be working on another message that will highlight at least some of the comparisons I provided above.

I hope to also use these points:   (please use any you like in your message)

-  The numbers indicate that WDFW's proposal is badly flawed, misleading, and lacking in proven science.
-  The numbers further indicate that Washington cannot support 15 BP's, please reduce the number of BP's.
-  Washington herds are unlikely to sustain numbers during additional growth of the wolf population for 3 years.
-  Any plan that does not sustain the prey herds will not sustain the proposed wolf population either.
-  Please reduce the proposed BP's and remove the 3 year waiting period or simply do not accept the wolf plan.

[bearpaw]

I gotta get back to work, please send emails....         

[CedarPants]

What percentage of the acreage WDFW says is available to wolves in Washington is located west of the Cascades?  Has the WDFW prepared a scientific presentation detailing how long it will take wolves to move into those western lands in the I-5 corridor and on the penninsula?  Do they honestly think these wolves are going to conveniently spread out to all available land in a nice and timely fashion?

We are going to end up with 15+ breeding pairs east of the Cascades alone.  Take away all available lands west of the mountains and what is left is the available acreage they should be looking at for delisting and management purposes.

[jackmaster]

did someone say that idaho now has 120 breeding pairs of wolves, so that would roughly be 48,000 wolves give or take a couple thousand, i dont know guys if it can get out of hand that quick in idaho then we are doomed, i expect that in a few years we will be getting begged by all bunny huggin groups and the wdfw to come and bail them out by killing off the wolves, but by then you can forget about elk and deer to hunt, seriously worried here, it looks like no matter what washington is going to push forward with this wolf plan, well fellas i will see you in the woods in a few years when we are banning together to kill all these wolves.... dont worry WDFW the sportsman will bail you out like we always do.....

[Special T]

message sent

[bearpaw]

message sent

well done my westside brother..... 

anybody else? 

[CedarPants]

Sent

[bearpaw]

Sent

right on....gitterdun.... 


Remember everyone, in one month there will be no more chance to make a difference, we will have to live with the decision that's made, do you want Phil Anderson and Harriet Allen to win? 

[NWWABOWHNTR]

another email sent!  I am ure by now they are tired of seeing my email address... LOL