Wolf meeting

[huntnphool]

 Some more good points being brought up tonight by the members here, I am beat and ready for bed but will address some of these concerns and thier answers tomorrow, I took lots of notes.

[huntnphool]

 Oh, I may be meeting haugenna and heading down again tomorrow so it may be afternoon before I get to it, will relay portions to Jack while sitting in.

[bobcat]

I'd go to the meeting but I've got scouting and hunting to do. This is a bad time of the year to be sitting in meetings. But I'm sure  glad some are able to go!

[HuntNFish]

I'd go to the meeting but I've got scouting and hunting to do. This is a bad time of the year to be sitting in meetings. But I'm sure  glad some are able to go!

I have wondered if WDFW planned it this way, knowing lots of hunters would be in the woods.

[grundy53]

mulehunter is being a little hard on the WDFW. Overall, they are not "anti-hunting". There's no way they could be, that would go against their whole purpose of being. Many of the employees are hunters. My feeling is that they don't want the wolves here anymore than we do. But what are they going to do? They have to follow the laws and all the proper politically correct procedures. I'm pretty sure they know that a good portion of their funding comes from us hunters, but they also have the pro-wolf groups pushing for the wolves, and those groups have money and they are more organized than we are. So I really think what the WDFW is doing is trying to come up with a plan that will be acceptable to both sides. It's a compromise. No matter what they do, hunters are going to demand less wolves and pro-wolf people are going to want more.

Unfortunately I think this is more wishful thinking then anything. Are there hunters and outdoorsman in the wdfw? Yes of course. Are there any in the positions of power? It doesn't seem like it... I would venture to say there are more anti hunters in the wdfw then you think. They are the ones ruining the wdfw and the hunting opportunities in this state.

[actionshooter]

I'd go to the meeting but I've got scouting and hunting to do. This is a bad time of the year to be sitting in meetings. But I'm sure  glad some are able to go!

Glad we could go to bat for you.

[mulehunter]

tomorrow meeting for Elk/deer plans??.  Are they gonna reduce harvest in future.

Mulehunter

[actionshooter]

tomorrow meeting for Elk/deer plans??.  Are they gonna reduce harvest in future.

Mulehunter

 No, they have to figure out how to increase the population to feed the wolves!
 
Good meeting you scott.

[mulehunter]

http://www.wildalaskahunting.com/Alaska-Hunting_Report_Details.php?id=12&Title=Three

30,000 down to 3,000

Anderson need think TWICE.

Mulehunter.

Nice meeting u too. actionshoot

[Gringo31]

You guys need to all shut up, step back in line and sleep well at night that the gov't and WDFW has your your best interests at heart.  If you disagree, it is only because you don't really know what is good for you.  Quit asking what may seem like logical questions like what happened in other states or countries.  We just need you all to hush down, get the wolves here in high numbers, then we can take another look at the situation to discuss any issues you may have.  In the mean time, expect to loose hunting opportunities and if that isn't good enough, you can pay more for losing them.

Sarcasm over...

This is a train wreck from day one.  Everyone knew it, most have seen it, and we are still counting the casualties.  All of this BS and you wonder why decent guys talk about shooting wolves.  If hunting has no effect on populations.....then why would they care if you shot one that appeared to be up to no good? 

This is a touchy subject because it is maddening.  Some of us rural folks are getting a bit fed up with being told how to make a living and how we need to listen to people who have no clue, have never walked in our shoes on our land and they lack the ability to recognize us for the true conservationists that we are.  I just want to maintain healthy populations to share with the public so that WE get the sustainable harvest. 

It's a big sh!t sandwitch and you all are supposed to take a bite, ask for seconds, give em a fat tip and thank them for such a wonderful meal.

Gringo

[popeshawnpaul]

I feel I'm really more even keeled about the WDFW than most of you.  That being said, I'll now contradict myself.  Rocky put a slide up that said hunting is an effective tool to manage wolf populations.  When questioned about this, he admitted that hunting can't control a wolf population.  When asked what other tools will we have, he responded with "trapping".  Yet that method has not proved effective either.  There is no management plan once we have wolves and that's one of the major concerns from everyone. 

The point is, that is one example of a handful I can cite that leads me to believe or come to the conclusion that Nathan and Rocky are trying to deceive us with the current proposed wolf plan.  Instead of being neutral, they are acting as advocates and trying to convince and sell us on it.  When they get caught speaking in mistruths or putting information that is misleading on a slide to convince us to adopt this plan, it makes me think I'm being deceived and now I am skeptical about everything they say.  I'm sure they are good at what they do, but advocacy is not one of them.  Scary to think what a skilled advocate could do if they led a project like this.  Giving facts that support your position but are untrue or misleading is a common tactic to use but it's very risky.  If you get caught by someone that is smart enough to know better, the tactic fails miserably.

[grundy53]

I feel I'm really more even keeled about the WDFW than most of you.  That being said, I'll now contradict myself.  Rocky put a slide up that said hunting is an effective tool to manage wolf populations.  When questioned about this, he admitted that hunting can't control a wolf population.  When asked what other tools will we have, he responded with "trapping".  Yet that method has not proved effective either.  There is no management plan once we have wolves and that's one of the major concerns from everyone. 

The point is, that is one example of a handful I can cite that leads me to believe or come to the conclusion that Nathan and Rocky are trying to deceive us with the current proposed wolf plan.  Instead of being neutral, they are acting as advocates and trying to convince and sell us on it.  When they get caught speaking in mistruths or putting information that is misleading on a slide to convince us to adopt this plan, it makes me think I'm being deceived and now I am skeptical about everything they say.  I'm sure they are good at what they do, but advocacy is not one of them.  Scary to think what a skilled advocate could do if they led a project like this.  Giving facts that support your position but are untrue or misleading is a common tactic to use but it's very risky.  If you get caught by someone that is smart enough to know better, the tactic fails miserably.

You don't think this has been happening?

[coachcw]

Thanks guy for going to oly . I just wonder how many black yotes will be shot ? With the number of predetors on the rise it's only a matter of time before there out of food and have to look towards fluffy intill then we must not have a problem right ? Its seems to me that the wdfw hasn't managed any of our states game well just like the permits in the tieton for sheep they have to many young rams so just hand out more  permits to harvest sub par animals on a oil permit  So much for common sense in this state !

[rebal69972]

you know what really worries me, earlier this year the cops and animal control where taking our predators out of towns 1 bear was takin out of a school parking lot (if my memory serves me right) now they are helping an apex predator expand its territory. how long will in be till its normal to have bears in our back yards and cougars in the trees around our houses or till a child is attacked because theres no food. we have proven that we can kill the wolves to damn near extinction and the deer and elk will recover it will hurt our hunting but hunting i don't feel is the biggest picture here. WA has the 4 largest predators in the country and all 4 have proven to be very good at killing people again i ask how many people have to get hurt

[rose673]

The other item that really bothers me is in one of there slides they basically admitted that they were not going to try to help the Caribou or the Columbian white-tail deer when wolves prey on them.  Why did we waste millions and millions of dollars on these species just to see them be taken by wolves.  I wonder what the employees are going to do on the Julia Butler Hansen Refuge when there are 0 deer to manage