URGENT: Please stop the Forest Service from shutting down hunting in Cascades

[Jfm]

Hello, I am new to this forum and hope this post is in the right place.

The Forest Service is in the process of implementing a plan to decommission nearly 15 miles of road in the Illabot Creek Drainage. The given reason is to reduce road maintenance needs and the risk of road failure and sediment delivery to Illabot Creek.

Many locals believe this is a political move spearheaded by groups that want to reclassify an enormous area of National Forest as National Park, including the area around Baker Lake, Glacier Peak Wilderness and Ross Lake. A quick Web search for North Cascades Park Expansion will provide official confirmation. For example http://www.npca.org/northwest/north-cascades.html

Whether intended as an assault on hunting and gun culture or not, these initiatives will be devastating to hunting, fishing and even hiking.

Illabot Creek Road is now up for decommissioning. This involves the complete removal of access to several fishing lakes - Marten, Slide, Enjar, King etc. It will also completely prevent hunting for grouse, deer and bear.

The period for public comment is currently open. Hiker forums are up in arms but the hunting world is strangely silent. Please help save our hunting and fishing from this devastating proposal.
http://www.fs.fed.us/nepa/nepa_project_exp.php?project=29892

Here's what you can do: Contact the following Forest Service officials. Talk to each one of them even if you are repeating yourself. Please ask plenty of questions about why this is happening. Politely state your opposition as a hiker, hunter and fisherman. Remember, these guys are decision makers but not politicians. They are just doing their jobs. Follow up with a written email. Call your state representative also.

Mount Baker Forest Service: 360 856 5700
Rob Iwamoto, MBS Forest Supervisor, riwamoto@fs.fed.us
Jon Vanderheyden, Mt Baker District Ranger, jvanderheyden@fs.fed.us ** (Spelling corrected 10/11/11)
Don Gay, NEPA, dgay@fs.fed.us - ** (Not a decision maker - now retired).
Carol Gladsjo, Recreation, cgladsjo@fs.fed.us

Fellow hunters, we are all going to have to become great at activism in coming years if we wish to see our kids have the right to use our National Forests as they were intended. Supporters of the park expansion have a strong cause - they rightly point out development encroachment as a key concern. However, one cannot hunt or fish in National Parks. 

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/10/09/1856155/coalition-proposes-to-expand-north.html

Please, please take the time to get informed and start emailing and calling. Thank you for reading.



See for example: http://www.npca.org/northwest/north-cascades.html

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Snowest, Backcountry Rebels, ATV connection, and Pirate 4x4  forums will get a link to this also. They are very active in access issues

[huntrights]

Thank you for posting this notification.  I think you found a good place to get the word out.  Hopefully the people participating in this forum will do their research and write a few emails to the Forest Service and their representatives.  It appears we need to continually battle to keep our rights to actively enjoy our outdoor areas such as you described.  Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, etc. should not be excluded from these areas and access should be maintained.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Didn't they already start doing the road removal?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I definitely do not support this road closure but there are several hunting organizations that would probably prefer the road be closed.

[Jfm]

The road has not yet been removed. I cannot imagine hunting organizations supporting its removal, DBHawthorne, can you please elaborate? If there is a benefit to hunters, I cannot imagine it.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Like I said they would "probably" support the road being closed but I can't guarantee it. If I look at recent positions taken by members of the RMEF and BHA I would say there is a possibility they may support it. Not sure though.  It's a crap shoot. Maybe they will support the closure or maybe they won't. If it is deemed best for the Elk then I would say RMEF would likely support it and all other users be damned.  I never know what people are thinking in the first place when they choose to restrict our liberties but you have my support on this issue.

[bigtex]

It should be noted that the area around Ross Lake is already owned and operated by the National Park Service as the Ross Lake National Recreation area. The proposal to expand North Cascades Natl Park would simply put all of those lands within the recreation area into the park and essentially eliminate the Ross Lake NRA.

[Mark Brenckle]

It should be noted that the area around Ross Lake is already owned and operated by the National Park Service as the Ross Lake National Recreation area. The proposal to expand North Cascades Natl Park would simply put all of those lands within the recreation area into the park and essentially eliminate the Ross Lake NRA.

  The area in question is on the west side of the park, north of Darrington.  The park expansion plan includes Ross Lake NRA on the east, but there's a whole lot of acreage on the west side that is currently open to hunting (or armed hiking in my case ), horse back riding and hiking with dogs.

[CAMPMEAT]

Sounds fishy to me. Another covert operation by greenies trying to look like sportsmen/women ? Be careful of such postings my friends. Just a hunch........

[Elkaholic daWg]

It should be noted that the area around Ross Lake is already owned and operated by the National Park Service as the Ross Lake National Recreation area. The proposal to expand North Cascades Natl Park would simply put all of those lands within the recreation area into the park and essentially eliminate the Ross Lake NRA.

 

  True, But the area of road closure seems to be west and north of Rockport.  That NP proposal extends all the way to Baker Lake

[Jfm]

Hi, After leaving another round of calls this morning, I have a couple of corrections:
Rob Iwamoto can be reached at 425 783 6010

Don Gay is listed as the official contact on the FS site. He has retired so if you have emailed him, please resend your email to Jon Vanderheyden. Jon is apparently the main decision maker. I misspelled Jon's email address in my earlier post, it is jvanderheyden and not jvanderheyded as I wrote. jvanderheyden@fs.fed.us

I am also asking that the comment period be extended because of the incorrect contacts on the FS site. I also asked that they do more publicity as word has not gotten to all interested parties yet. According to the FS, all comment should be in writing to be considered. There must be a good reason given by each commenter to influence the decision. The FS has used the sign in sheet at Slide Lake trail to estimate usage. I have never used the sign in and regret that now. If like me, you have also neglected the sign in, please state that in your communication also. Lastly it is important to refer to the EA document.
Thanks to the 297 viewers of this post, it is my strongest hope that 297 of you have written or are writing an email to Jon Vanderheyden urging the Forest Service to continue to invest in this corner of paradise.

PS to Campmeat, damn right I'm a greenie...a heavily armed and well trained greenie. Come talk smack to me when I'm packing out my buck on Saturday before 8am 

[BOWHUNTER45]

I have been reading up on this and it just wont happen ....and if it did this county would be turned up side down .... Hunters up here are really getting fed up with all this sheet ....they have us locked up 360 degrees around us and it is about to come to head 

[Jfm]

Hi Bowhunter45, with due respect, it IS happening and unless there is a public outcry formally and constructively channelled to Jon Vanderheyden, Illabot Creek road will be decommissioned. Here are the "facts" the FS has:
1. As measured by sign-ins at the Slide Lake trailhead, there are very few users, i.e. this does not impact many people. Unfortunately for us, almost nobody bothers to sign in.
2. There are strong cost and environmental reasons to support the decommissioning.
3. Only 100 comments have been made from the public since the publication of this proposal.

Get fed up all you want. Then, please write the coolest email you have ever come up with. Here's the outline of mine:
- I have hunted, hiked and fished the lakes up Illabot Creek for many years.
- I take my children to Slide Lake to fish
- I have never signed in at the trail head - sorry, I didn't realize the importance.
- Closing the road will remove access to several fishing lakes which are kid and senior friendly.
-Closing the road will remove grouse, deer and bear hunting opportunity which will force increased hunting pressure in remaining areas and create potential conflict with hikers in heavily trafficked areas such as Sauk Mountain
- The high lakes - Slide, Enjar, Marten, Upper and Lower Jordan, Falls and King are a critical resource for American family activities such as hunting, hiking and fishing. Taking these beautiful areas away prevents people in urban areas from developing any appreciation for wilderness, hunting, fishing and outdoorsmanship.

We must speak their language. We must stand up as a coherent hunting community that can constructively jump on local issues like this and negotiate good compromises. I will still be hunting in 30 years time, and I hope you will too. Write the million dollar email today and enjoy it for the next 30 years!

[CAMPMEAT]

I don't talk smack. I tell it like I see it. Too many covert operations run on hunting sites as good ol' boys. Don't work for me.

[sebek556]

jfm, I think the point here is your new, and recently with other issues hunters are facing we have had alot of fake people trying to get the hunting community to side with them instead of what is right for hunters. Might help you to post some pics of you with game? multiple would be great because it is all to easy to get one photo off the net.. but I will look into this further and see where I sit.

[fireweed]

Question: is that the road that goes to the short USFS trail to Slide Lake? 

[huntrights]

In my opinion, this is a good example of a need to make a united effort to prevent the loss of access to a prime hunting and outdoor recreational area.  It doesn’t take long to scan the material provided by the Forest Service; I would recommend you take the time to do it.

This is the Forest Service web site regarding this topic ( http://www.fs.fed.us/nepa/nepa_project_exp.php?project=29892 ); please take the time to read the documents so you can write your letter or make your phone call from a position of being informed.

The Environmental Assessment (EA) is the primary document you may want to review, but there are several available:

Project Documents
Scoping
Public Scoping eLetter (PDF 81kb)
Project Information (PDF 287kb)
Location map (PDF 92kb)
Project Map (PDF 817kb)
alternative project detail map 1 (PDF 791kb)
alternative project detail map 2 (PDF 798kb)
alternative project detail map 3 (PDF 766kb)
Analysis
Invitation to comment on EA (PDF 140kb)
EA (PDF 2223kb)
Appendix A (PDF 280kb)
Appendix B (PDF 1038kb)


Of the alternatives they have listed, Alternative M (Marten Lake Upgrade) appears to be the best choice to keep access open (in my opinion).  I believe they should pursue this alternative or some similar alternative and NOT decommission the road.  However, the upgrade comes at a very real cost for the Forest Service.  Please read their material and look at the associated maps on their web site.

You can also get a very nice satellite image of the area using GOOGLE Maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=el

Type in: Illabot Creek Road, Marblemount, WA

[huntrights]

I have written the Forest Service again asking that they consider a long-term, phased upgrade and maintenance plan that focuses on areas of the road that have a high risk of failure and fits into their budget.

This appears to be a tough one for the Forest Service as they have to work within their budget, and comply with safety and environmental standards.  I do hope others are taking the time to look into the Illabot Creek Road Project and sending their comments to the Forest Service representative (contact information below):

Jon Vanderheyden, District Ranger
Mt. Baker Ranger District
810 SR 20
Sedro-Woolley WA 98237

jvanderheyden@fs.fed.us

[huntrights]

Did the Forest Service make a decision on this?  I have heard nothing.

[huntrights]

On December 27, 2011, District Ranger Jon Vanderheyden signed the Decision Notice for the Illabot Project. The project will decommission approximately 16.07 miles of road and upgrade approximately five miles of road.

http://www.fs.fed.us/nepa/nepa_project_exp.php?project=29892

[Boss .300 winmag]

No he didn't his office flunky did (/S/), he probably didn't even write it. I wonder how pissed they will get when people ride ORV in there? This dude is a tool!

[Bob33]

I am missing the link between how decommissioned roads will "also completely prevent hunting for grouse, deer and bear."

Please clarify. 

[JimmyHoffa]

I am missing the link between how decommissioned roads will "also completely prevent hunting for grouse, deer and bear."

Please clarify.

It doesn't if you hunt on foot.  But if you can't get away from the vehicle you lose your hunting ability.  Just moves the road hunters to a different area--making it even more crowded (for them).

[Boss .300 winmag]

They are going to remove all culverts, and remove road bed with a excavater broad casting it to match the slope of the land. In a short few years you will have no way to travel down the path.

[Bob33]

They are going to remove all culverts, and remove road bed with a excavater broad casting it to match the slope of the land. In a short few years you will have no way to travel down the path.

You can't walk through the woods even?

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Baby steps first....restrict access is the start...........

[Boss .300 winmag]

I am missing the link between how decommissioned roads will "also completely prevent hunting for grouse, deer and bear."

Please clarify.

It doesn't if you hunt on foot.  But if you can't get away from the vehicle you lose your hunting ability.  Just moves the road hunters to a different area--making it even more crowded (for them).

Just blocking the road would be better than what they are doing, it would let bicycles and hikers access the many lakes at the end of road.

[Elkaholic daWg]

They are going to remove all culverts, and remove road bed with a excavater broad casting it to match the slope of the land. In a short few years you will have no way to travel down the path.

 I see a budget cut that could save a million or two!

[SWHUNTER]

I don't see myself hiking 17 miles to slide lake. Its too bad they went through with this. Thats a huge chunk of land that will turn very remote very soon. Its a shame. Looks like the letter writing and phone calls were a waste of time.

[Boss .300 winmag]

They plan on implamenting it in 7-2013. This is our last year to fish those great lakes.   

[JimmyHoffa]

I am missing the link between how decommissioned roads will "also completely prevent hunting for grouse, deer and bear."

Please clarify.

It doesn't if you hunt on foot.  But if you can't get away from the vehicle you lose your hunting ability.  Just moves the road hunters to a different area--making it even more crowded (for them).

Just blocking the road would be better than what they are doing, it would let bicycles and hikers access the many lakes at the end of road.

Agree.  They have done this in a few areas I hunt.  One left the culverts and bikes/horses are easily capable of still using.  The other area the walk is fine on remaining road....it's the culvert removal and dirt mounds they left that make it a pain.  They left quite a few 'dangerous' crossings.  It's not like crossing a creek--it is climbing down an eroding side into a wannabe creek that hasn't figured itself out yet.

[Elkaholic daWg]

They plan on implamenting it in 7-2013. This is our last year to fish those great lakes.   

 That was going to be my next question. Thanks!

 It will make these  (Wolf Lovers,leaf lickers) types happy, just like DOW..... soliciting donations at the end of the year......



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[huntrights]

I don't know if it would help, but it might be worth a try to get our state and national representatives involved.  People that actually use the road to go up to those lakes to fish, or hunt, hike, or camp in the area destined  to be closed would need to spearhead any further efforts to save the road.  In my opinion, I would say don't give up.  If the decommissioning of the 16+ miles of road will result in a significant loss to our community as a whole then we should pursue legislative support to stop the action.  It’s not a done deal until the Forest Service actually destroys the road to a condition that cannot be repaired.  Is there enough support in the Hunting-Washington community to pursue this further?

[Skyvalhunter]

I say it is worth it to formulate a letter to send off to our state reps telling them what a waste of money it is to decommission these roads instead of just blocking the road. Millions of dollars saved in this time of budget short commings.

[huntrights]

Access to this unique area can still be saved if enough people take action.  This is another opportunity to stand up for what you believe in.  If enough people file valid appeals, the Forest Service may reconsider their decision.  Those that are familiar with the area and would like to keep the road open should definitely file an appeal before the deadline.  In order to save something you believe in, you must put forth some effort.

This is the Notice of Decision that describes the appeal opportunity:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/61747_FSPLT2_069935.pdf


 “An appeal must be filed with the Appeal Deciding Officer, Forest Supervisor, Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest, Attn: 1570 Appeals, 2930 Wetmore Avenue, Suite 3A, Everett, Washington, 98201. Appeals may be faxed to (425) 783-0214, sent electronically to appeals-pacificnorthwest-mtbaker-snoqualmie@fs.fed.us, or hand delivered to the above address 8:00 am to 4:30 pm, Mon-Fri except holidays. Appeals, including attachments, must be postmarked or delivered within 45 days after the publication date of this notice.”  The Notice of Decision was published on December 27, 2011, so you must submit your appeal within the 45 day limit.

Jon Vanderheyden, the District Ranger, sent me the following message that should help guide your appeals to keep the road open:

“Appeal process can be nothing more than a letter to the address indicated in the decision notice (Which sounds like you have) stating your reasons why you think the decision should be changed.  It's a good idea to have read the environmental assessment and decision notice carefully and base your appeal on what is contained therein - Where did the analysis go wrong for example.

Full copy of the Appeal regulations can be found at:  http://www.fs.fed.us/emc/applit/36cfr215.htm”

Main link to the Illabot Road decommissioning project:
http://www.fs.fed.us/nepa/nepa_project_exp.php?project=29892

Link to the Environmental Assessment for the Illabot road Project:
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/61747_FSPLT2_069984.pdf

[huntrights]

Good news!  The Forest Service not closing Illabot Road: decision withdrawn.

Beware though; it appears the reversal of their decision may be more of a temporary reprieve.  However, now there is time for those that want this road to remain open to work with the Forest Service to find out how the public and affected Tribes can help to keep it open.  I am very serious when I say this.  It looks like five individuals and one tribe appealed.  It would be helpful if those people and the Tribe formed a coalition of sorts to ensure the road will remain open.  There are obviously needs for road and drainage upgrades, and repairs.  It can be a worthy project if this type of coalition can be formed; the influence of a coalition can grow when people believe in what they are doing.  The Forest Service is planning on revising the analysis and documentation and will issue a new decision next year.  Take advantage of this opportunity of time and work together with the Forest Service to ensure closure is not threatened again.  Find out what you can do.


http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mbs/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5361686

"Forest Service not closing Illabot Road: decision withdrawn

Release Date: Apr 2, 2012   

US Forest Service
 
Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest
 
Contact:
 
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Forest Service not closing Illabot Road
Decision withdrawn
 
Everett, Wash., April 2, 2012—Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest won’t be closing the Illabot Road anytime soon. A decision to dismantle the road and remove culverts and bridges was withdrawn March 27 in response to public appeals. Illabot Road is two miles south of Rockport, Wash., off of State Route 530.
 
Mt. Baker District Ranger Jon Vanderheyden proposed last December to close about 14.5 miles of the crumbling road to reduce road maintenance costs and save fish habitat. The Illabot is an old timber access road built in the 1960s at slope breaks with an aging road drainage system. “Slop failures, erosion and sediment are reducing water quality, affecting spawning gravels and fish habitat for endangered Puget Sound Chinook, Steelhead and bull trout,” Vanderheyden said. He also hoped to reduce the ecological impact from concentrated recreation use going to high mountain lakes in designated Wilderness.
 
Five individuals appealed the decision, saying they wanted the road open so they could get to trails leading to a series of high lakes in northern Glacier Peak Wilderness. One tribe appealed, saying the closure would block access to areas important for the exercise of their treaty rights.
 
The decision was withdrawn based on the recommendations of a Forest Service appeal review team that studied the appeals, environmental analysis and project record.
 
Vanderheyden said the forest will revise the analysis and documentation and issue a new decision next year if funds can be obtained to complete the work. "Road maintenance funds fall far short of maintaining or current road system. Without cuts in the road network, environmental damage is inevitable," he said."
 
 

[Dave Workman]

What about this?

http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7997118&highlight=suiattle+road+repair

http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7997354

http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7997059

This is all about the USFS plan for the Suiattle River Road...and the nutball push to close it

Here's a note I got from a friend on the Northwest Hiker's forum and it's serious:

Seriously thanks. That road is recognized as high use but the extremists have it targeted for closure. All kinds of recreational users use it including hikers, backpackers, climbers, kayakers, family's looking to car camp, hunters, and I could go on and on...

[pianoman9701]

The road has not yet been removed. I cannot imagine hunting organizations supporting its removal, DBHawthorne, can you please elaborate? If there is a benefit to hunters, I cannot imagine it.

The Backcountry Hunters and Fisherman, for one would probably support the decommissioning. I sent an email opposing it.

[teanawayslayer]

Unfortunetly that's just the way the forest circus works.  probably not going to be able to do anything about it.  They have closed road after road in kittitas county. 

[huntrights]

Those that don't want these roads to close must take a stand to oppose the closures and get many others to oppose the closures as well.  The task isn't easy; it takes some research, dedication, and time.  Remember, many hands make light work; if you can get enough people and organizations working toward a worthy cause, you might be able to change the outcome to what you desire.  Those that are not willing to stand up for what they believe in, are destined to have others dictate how they will live their lives. 

Stand up for what you believe in!

[Elkaholic daWg]

 as for the Olympics.... Note the "willing seller" part.... sell to park and hunting becomes what?




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