I-1183 Liquor Initiative

[Alchase]

The state should not be selling any consumable.
There is no proof at all that states that have private liqueur sale have more DUIs or more kids that drink.
 
Take that out of the picture, and it is all about the taxes. This state is so two faced about "sin taxes" it makes me sick. Washington state makes more money off a pack of cigarettes then Philip Morris does. The hundreds of millions of dollars our disingenuous queen Gregoire got for the state from the tobacco lawsuits disappeared into the general fund with no accountability. Last I heard they had only spent 86k on disinformation TV adds.
 
What it boils down to "the state should not be selling any product".

[frostman]

We need to QUIT throwing more money at "schools". How many of you think that your tax dollars are being properly allocated? We keep throwing more money at our problems and not getting good results.

Government needs to be rolled back, especially at the state and federal level. What needs to be addressed is the promises made to state and federal unions as well as the tenure system for teachers, which is the biggest problem regarding education. The union mentality is what is draining our resources and it is NOT producing positive results.

A good place for us to begin to roll back state government is privatizing liquor sales. I will vote yes for anything that rolls back government and no against anything that raises taxes, even if it is "for the kids".

[PlateauNDN]

Sorry but my vote will remain NO.  If it's based on square footage to be able to sell liquor than there are at least 7 grocery stores here on the Yakama Rez that would qualify and they would more than likely stock up on it.  There is an alcohol problem here already and at least with the State the Tribal Members here have to find a way to Yakima just to get it. 

This would not only affect them but, the Homeless Alcoholics would have an even easier time of accessing it then they currently do.

[jyerxa]

Lots and lots of good comments above.

Yes!

[rebal69972]

yes here. its the court system that broke and the state cant deal with the little bit the have now.

my x brother n law was convicted of selling booze to a miner he got a $200 fine 2 years later convicted of stealing 3 hand guns and got 5 years probation. i don't trust the state or federal government or the leagal system

[JimmyHoffa]

Plateau,
Can the county pass its own law restricting sale just in that county?  Or can your tribal council prohibit it from being sold on the rez?  I know in the south there are dry counties and even cities. 

[bigtex]

Plateau,
Can the county pass its own law restricting sale just in that county?  Or can your tribal council prohibit it from being sold on the rez?  I know in the south there are dry counties and even cities.

I can answer this.

Yes a tribe could prohibit booze from being sold on the rez. As far as off the rez everytime somebody applies for a liquor license no matter if they are a bar, restaurant, or mini-mart the "local authority" is notified. The "local authority" is either the city or the county if the location is not within city limits. The city/county can either not respond to the Liquor Control Board or they can request that the LCB not issue that license. Cities/counties could go one step further prohibiting liquor sales, essentially creating a dry area like some cities/counties in the south.

Several years ago the state passed a law allowing cities to create "alcohol impact areas" which essentially limit what types of alcohol stores can sell. Cities must petition the LCB to create these areas. These are often in areas with high homeless numbers and drunk in public areas. Many of the "ice" beers and fortified wine are banned in these areas. Spokane, Tacoma, and Seattle have several AIA areas. Vancouver has a voluntarily one, basically trying to get compliance so they don't have to petition the state for an actual official area. Kent startes a voluntary one but it never really took off or got much support from the city.


Also, there are some cities in WA that do not allow non-tribal casinos, even though they are legal at the state level.

[jyerxa]

I really think I should be able to make my own moonshine actually. 

[Armadillo]

We need to QUIT throwing more money at "schools". How many of you think that your tax dollars are being properly allocated? We keep throwing more money at our problems and not getting good results.

Government needs to be rolled back, especially at the state and federal level. What needs to be addressed is the promises made to state and federal unions as well as the tenure system for teachers, which is the biggest problem regarding education. The union mentality is what is draining our resources and it is NOT producing positive results.

A good place for us to begin to roll back state government is privatizing liquor sales. I will vote yes for anything that rolls back government and no against anything that raises taxes, even if it is "for the kids".

Yeah lets cut back on our kids so we can pay $5 less a bottle for idiot juice!! The average college professor makes 60k, how is that too high as to be a major problem in their budget requiring hundreds of millions to be taken out of KID'S the education system? What should a college professor earn?

[flatbkman]

Do you think the state is ripping us off?

           Jose Cuervo Gold   Jose Cuervo Silver
CA Price           $23.04                $23.04
WA Price           $42.95                Unavailable

   Capt Morgan Rum   Jack Daniels   Jim Beam   Johnny Walker Red   Tanqueray
CA Price   $19.74                $34.01                $24.13                            $29.62                $27.43
WA Price   $39.95                $50.95                $34.95                            $54.95                $49.95

   Skyy Vodka   Stolichnaya Vodka   Ketal One Vodka   Absolut Vodka
CA Price   $23.04                $26.33                             $34.01               $28.52
WA Price   $36.95                $46.95                             $53.95               $46.95

Washington State for a bottle costing $13.65

$3.48   25% Distillers Price
$2.14   16% Federal Tax
$3.36   25% Markup
$4.67   34% State Tax

And these taxes were before the last raise a couple of years ago.

By the way, where are all the dollars that are suppose to be going to education?

[yakimarcher]

I would be for it but the state is giong to use that money to put more a**hole cops out pulling over everyone who drives between 11pm and 5 am. not all cops are *censored*s but all the ones doing traffic patrol at night are A**HOLES!

Sounds like someone with a couple of tickets! 

It's worse than that I used to work swing shift at Yakima Public works and the cops would target city employees leaving the facility when our shift got off. I'm not kidding i got  4 tickets in two years and they were all chicken sh*t too, no seat belt, cracked tail light lens, not using turn signal etc, nothing legitimate like speeding. Other co-workers had the same experiences.

[pianoman9701]

Do you think the state is ripping us off?

           Jose Cuervo Gold   Jose Cuervo Silver
CA Price           $23.04                $23.04
WA Price           $42.95                Unavailable

   Capt Morgan Rum   Jack Daniels   Jim Beam   Johnny Walker Red   Tanqueray
CA Price   $19.74                $34.01                $24.13                            $29.62                $27.43
WA Price   $39.95                $50.95                $34.95                            $54.95                $49.95

   Skyy Vodka   Stolichnaya Vodka   Ketal One Vodka   Absolut Vodka
CA Price   $23.04                $26.33                             $34.01               $28.52
WA Price   $36.95                $46.95                             $53.95               $46.95

Washington State for a bottle costing $13.65

$3.48   25% Distillers Price
$2.14   16% Federal Tax
$3.36   25% Markup
$4.67   34% State Tax

And these taxes were before the last raise a couple of years ago.

By the way, where are all the dollars that are suppose to be going to education?

It's incredible how much we pay for booze in WA. Even OR, the average savings in booze is about $10 a half gallon (not that I go to OR to buy because that would be illegal). I moved out from NH who has among the lowest liquor taxes in the country. What a shock to an alcoholic like me!

[rjn cajun]

Big no here. This would mean 1000`s more people without jobs. My family and all my hunting party work for or retired from small distributers around the area. This would mean that no one would have to go through distibuters anymore and could go to your big store like Costco to get what you need. All the convienent stores could go to big stores. All the drivers merchindisers salesman etc. Instead of the big wigs up state taking jobs away we as voters will be taking jobs away from each other. Perfect just what they want.

[pianoman9701]

Big no here. This would mean 1000`s more people without jobs. My family and all my hunting party work for or retired from small distributers around the area. This would mean that no one would have to go through distibuters anymore and could go to your big store to get what you need. All the convienent stores could go to big stores. all the drivers merchindisers salesman etc. Instead of the big wigs up state taking jobs away we as voters will be taking jobs away from each other. Perfect just what they want.

I think your fears are unfounded. Why would a store buy from another store when they can buy from distributors and cut out the markup? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[MikeWalking]

I really think I should be able to make my own moonshine actually. 

Dad used to do a lot of that...till that little "explosion"  but hey! Mom got to remodel the kitchen