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Offline Jack Diamond

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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2011, 11:15:13 PM »
and here we go again the WDFW is transplanting wolve's . what a crock. now if you had said the wolf lovers are doing the dirty deed, OK it could be , once again everyone needs to read the "novel" "The Buffalo Commons" , it does enlighten .
Ed Bangs would not want you to read the novel. Yeah I know it is a "novel" and who is Ed Bangs?  we must understand that most lies contain a fragment of truth. only Iditerod dogs cross the border, at lame crossings such as Sweetgrass Montana. and Loomis Washington, with the proper paperwork.  A border inspector would only check the paperwork, and would not know a sled dog from a sedated wolf.  But I am the only one who defends the WDFW, simply because I do not think a State agency and their hired help could be smart enough to pull it off without being caught.
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« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2011, 10:26:43 AM »
It is the Washington dept of Fish and Wildlife not the Washington dept of fish and elk or the dept of fish and deer.  Wildlife is all inclusive.

Jack, there's a huge difference between introducing the wolf and introducing the wolf irresponsibly. I think there's a place for the wolf in our state's ecosystem/balance of wildlife, but experience gained from MT, WY, and Idaho, and scientific data have all shown that the plan that our WDFW has adopted is irresponsible at best and quite possibly prove catastrophic to other wildlife species. You point is well taken and abundance of all wildlife in our state should be the goal.
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« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2011, 10:29:25 AM »
OK, but a move like that would have to be in conjunction with the WDFW and is in direct opposition to their plan. I don't think the feds can usurp the power of the local authority without a court action. I may be naive.
According to the groups around here (olympic park associates and olympic forest coalition) WDFW doesn't have the authority to prohibit the reintroduction onto federal lands.

You make a valid point. This morning, I've written to both the NPS and the USFWS the following email. I modified the one to the NPS:

Dear Sirs,

I'm writing to find out if it is the policy of the USFWS to release any wolves into our state. I would also like to know if this would ever be done without the cooperation of the WA Dept. of Fish & Wildlife. I would appreciate the courtesy of a reply. Thanks so much.
John W
Vancouver, WA
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« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2011, 11:30:19 AM »
pianoman, I guess I just do not see how WDFW "introduced" wolves into the state.
that word suggests the WDFW brought them here. and until someone can prove otherwise , I believe that to be incorrect.
Granted the state has done nothing to stop the wolves from coming across the state line, however I do not think Jesus could stop them from entering Washington.
When Ed Bangs of the USFWS started his grand scheme in Montana, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Do I trust the WDFW? NO I do not, however I trust that the problem is not how or who, I'd rather work to find the actual #s as I do not trust any agency to be the sole provider of data.

Until the 15 BP's are proven to exist, obviously the wolf commission will do nothing, if it can be proven that number exist, then at that time petition the governor and the commission to start control measures,  Hopefully the trapping in Idaho helps to reach the Quota in that state. 

Perhaps the sportsmen of this state should work on changing the current trapping laws, to prepare for the future, I am sure it will be needed.

In all honesty, I do not like wild canines of any ilk, however I will abide by the laws of the state. make no mistake I am not your enemy.

I still say the response from WDFW was good, at least there was a response, however if I was the one who wrote the response with the information I had in hand, and then read this thread , I certainly would question why I bothered.
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« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2011, 11:34:06 AM »
pianoman, I guess I just do not see how WDFW "introduced" wolves into the state.
that word suggests the WDFW brought them here. and until someone can prove otherwise , I believe that to be incorrect.
Granted the state has done nothing to stop the wolves from coming across the state line, however I do not think Jesus could stop them from entering Washington.
When Ed Bangs of the USFWS started his grand scheme in Montana, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Do I trust the WDFW? NO I do not, however I trust that the problem is not how or who, I'd rather work to find the actual #s as I do not trust any agency to be the sole provider of data.

Until the 15 BP's are proven to exist, obviously the wolf commission will do nothing, if it can be proven that number exist, then at that time petition the governor and the commission to start control measures,  Hopefully the trapping in Idaho helps to reach the Quota. 

Perhaps the sportsmen of this state should work on changing the current trapping laws, to prepare for the future, I am sure it will be needed.

In all honesty, I do not like wild canines of any ilk, however I will abide by the laws of the state. make no mistake I am not your enemy.

I still say the response from WDFW was good, at least there was a response, however if I was the one who wrote the response with the information I had in hand, and then read this thread , I certainly would question why I bothered.
Damned if you do,damned if you don't.   

We're in complete agreement on all of your points. This thread was started about a rumor and I got the state's answer and am satisfied with it until proven otherwise. Now, we wait to see the responses from the two federal agencies and I will post those, as well. Once they make a statement, they're accountable to it.
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